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> we're firing this one person who published a modest amount of info about internal communications, which is a violation of policies in our employee handbook I
by malcolmgreaves 3y ago
> we're firing this one person who published a modest amount of info about internal communications, which is a violation of policies in our employee handbook
Isn't this the author's goal though?
- abeppu 3y agoIf the author is going for severance, isn't that less likely if they're being fired for cause, vs part of a layoff?
- scarface_74 3y agoNope, you get severance either way.
- jldugger 3y agoIn what planet does Amazon offer severence to a person they are firing for cause?
- JustExAWS 3y agoThis planet? I happen to have first hand experience with Amazon’s PIP process… https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37963423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37963423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37963988 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37963988 (I seem to have done something to anger the HN gods)
- jldugger 3y agoPIP is a performance improvement plan, whereby they come up with documentation required to dismiss a person without running afoul of affirmative action and other wrongful termination suits. Firing for cause is something else. Like, stealing from the company. Or punching a coworker, disclosing trade secrets to the press, failing a cocaine drug test, or deliberately violating workplace conduct rules. Poor performance is not a cause, and failing a PIP does not lead to firing for cause.
- scarface_74 3y agoPeople really overestimate the scope of “wrongful termination” in the US where almost every state says you can fire someone for almost any reason or no reason as long as it isn’t a protected class. And did you read my write up about how PIPs work at Amazon? You’re heavily incentivized to press “Leave Amazon” button when they send you the link. The chance of making it through a PIP is almost 0 - I read some of the internal Slack channels and I know from my own experience.
- jldugger 3y agoNothing you've said in this comment contradicts my opinion that firing for cause is different than PIP. Not even the fact that PIPs are not designed to be survived. Or that you will be fired after failing one.
- abeppu 3y agoI'm surprised to hear that! I was under the impression that often when people are fired, they get little to nothing, except perhaps a token payment in exchange for some agreement to waiving rights to pursue litigation, or a non-disparagement agreement.
- scarface_74 3y agoI just went through the process at Amazon less that four months ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37963423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37963423