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Yep, russia wants war, look at how close they put their country to NATO... oh wait. Ukraine is for russia the same as what cuba was for US... but back then, pe

Yep, russia wants war, look at how close they put their country to NATO... oh wait. Ukraine is for russia the same as what cuba was for US... but back then, people did diplomacy and war was avoided... here they tried in instanbul, johnson and the rest told zelensky not to sign, and here we are

pydry 3y ago
Except NATO and its primary members have a history of extreme military aggression (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan) while Cuba just wanted to host nukes to prevent another bay of pigs type invasion.
- libertine 3y ago
  Russia has a history of extreme military aggression, and using Genocide is a way to control territory.
  - ajsnigrutin 3y ago
    So... are we going to count the wars russia started vs the wars US&allies started? Genocide is a strong word... how many dead people count as a genocide? Because if russia applies the same rules as US, 500k dead children are worth it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8 ... in a war half a planet away from USA.
    - libertine 3y ago
      > So... are we going to count the wars russia started vs the wars US&allies started? Oh men, Russia used genocide even without war. Holodomor for example, as a way to kill millions of ethnic groups, or just the simple destruction of cultural landmarks like in Finland where they even razed cemeteries. > Genocide is a strong word... how many dead people count as a genocide? You need to educate yourself about genocide[0], it's not about number of people, or killing, it's about the actions with the intent to bring suffering to a group a people in an attempt to make them disappear. Putin is wanted by the ICC for kidnapping and filtering Ukrainian children, one of the most disgusting crimes against humanity and constitutes one of the crimes genocide. Despite the fact that the US has been involved in wars, none of them had the sickening intent of making a group of people disappear just because they exist, and erase their culture. If you want to look at that intent you need to observe Nazi Germany, Holodomor, Chechen war, that's what genocide looks like. [0]https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
      - ajsnigrutin 3y ago
        Holomodor was done by a different country, many many years ago... this is like mentioning the genocide of native americans in usa. ICC is a political entity, and noone actually cares about it. It has no real power except for small countries that are bullied by nato and it's allies. They can't even prosecute ordinary american soldiers, what are they going to do against putin? - https://www.france24.com/en/20180910-usa-trump-threatens-arrest-icc-judges-american-soldiers-afghan-war-crimes https://www.france24.com/en/20180910-usa-trump-threatens-arr... > sickening intent of making a group of people disappear just because they exist, and erase their culture Like forbidding their language, burning their books, outlawing their religion and destroying their monuments? Oh wait, ukraine did that. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sure-doesnt-look-like-democracy-anymore-opinion-1844799 https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sure-doesnt-look-like-democ...
        libertine 3y ago
        Wait, so when is convinient for Russia they are the rightful heirs of USSR, but when it's about the bad things, it's a different country? That's not how that works, you can't cherry-pick what you get. And the Chechnya genocide was also a different country? > ICC is a political entity, and noone actually cares about it. Is that the new Russian narrative? Then why can't Putin even go to South Africa or Brazil without being arrested? These are BRICS countries by the way!
TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
Countries are banging on NATO's door because they don't want to end up like Ichkeria, Georgia or Ukraine.
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  Yep, after someone organizes a coup there to overthrow the government and replace them with a pro-nato one. And the non-nato states and up like syria, libya, iraq and afghanistan. I live in a shitty small EU state, and even we had soldiers occupying afghanistan and still have them in syria. No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
libertine 3y ago
NATO is an alliance of countries that feel they need protection. Why don't you question Russia's foreign policy with its neighbors? Why hasn't Russia established good relationships with those countries, instead of placing corrupt puppets as a way to control them? Anyway, sovereign countries, like Ukraine, are free to make their choices, if they want to join NATO, and if they have the requirements, they should be able to join - it isn't NATO enforcing themselves onto others, lie Russia as done for decades. > Ukraine is for russia the same as what cuba was for US... I really can't see that logic: when did the US invade Cuba and stated it was US land all along because ethnic Americans were being prosecuted by cubans?
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  So NATO bombing of yugoslavia was protection of nato countries? Oh no, wait, it was a direct agression by nato. ...because of fighting with a terrorist group. Where's the protection from the nato countries? > Why hasn't Russia established good relationships with those countries, instead of placing corrupt puppets as a way to control them? The puppets that won the elections and US had to organize a coup to remove? Victoria Nuland was literally giving away cookies there. Yes, cuba is free to make their choice to be friendly with the soviet union and station missles there. But this was enough for usa to plan a fals flag attack and start a war with cuba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods Luckily back then, diplomacy prevailed, and there was no war there.. but it was close. The embargo is still in play though,... There should be a vote in the UN against the embargo or something... oh wait, there was: https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 Just look at the results.
  - libertine 3y ago
    > So NATO bombing of yugoslavia was protection of nato countries? Oh no, wait, it was a direct agression by nato. ...because of fighting with a terrorist group. NATO bombing Yugoslavia was because there was another genocide in the making (people seem to forget those, how they start and what it leads to). Guess who was against the intervention in the Security Council? Russia and China. > The puppets that won the elections and US had to organize a coup to remove? Victoria Nuland was literally giving away cookies there. Here comes the conspiracy theory, that a civil revolution after a president defraud their population with promises to try to join the EU, suddenly did a 180 turn in exchange for Russian cash - what a shock that people revolted. > Yes, cuba is free to make their choice to be friendly with the soviet union and station missles there. No one is placing nukes in Ukraine - yet apparently, they should now. Comparing Cuba in the 60's to Ukraine in 2023 is one of the most absurd pieces of Russian propaganda, only beaten by comparing Ukraine to Israel.

pydry 3y ago

Except NATO and its primary members have a history of extreme military aggression (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan) while Cuba just wanted to host nukes to prevent another bay of pigs type invasion.

libertine 3y ago
Russia has a history of extreme military aggression, and using Genocide is a way to control territory.
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  So... are we going to count the wars russia started vs the wars US&allies started? Genocide is a strong word... how many dead people count as a genocide? Because if russia applies the same rules as US, 500k dead children are worth it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8 ... in a war half a planet away from USA.
  - libertine 3y ago
    > So... are we going to count the wars russia started vs the wars US&allies started? Oh men, Russia used genocide even without war. Holodomor for example, as a way to kill millions of ethnic groups, or just the simple destruction of cultural landmarks like in Finland where they even razed cemeteries. > Genocide is a strong word... how many dead people count as a genocide? You need to educate yourself about genocide[0], it's not about number of people, or killing, it's about the actions with the intent to bring suffering to a group a people in an attempt to make them disappear. Putin is wanted by the ICC for kidnapping and filtering Ukrainian children, one of the most disgusting crimes against humanity and constitutes one of the crimes genocide. Despite the fact that the US has been involved in wars, none of them had the sickening intent of making a group of people disappear just because they exist, and erase their culture. If you want to look at that intent you need to observe Nazi Germany, Holodomor, Chechen war, that's what genocide looks like. [0]https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
    - ajsnigrutin 3y ago
      Holomodor was done by a different country, many many years ago... this is like mentioning the genocide of native americans in usa. ICC is a political entity, and noone actually cares about it. It has no real power except for small countries that are bullied by nato and it's allies. They can't even prosecute ordinary american soldiers, what are they going to do against putin? - https://www.france24.com/en/20180910-usa-trump-threatens-arrest-icc-judges-american-soldiers-afghan-war-crimes https://www.france24.com/en/20180910-usa-trump-threatens-arr... > sickening intent of making a group of people disappear just because they exist, and erase their culture Like forbidding their language, burning their books, outlawing their religion and destroying their monuments? Oh wait, ukraine did that. https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sure-doesnt-look-like-democracy-anymore-opinion-1844799 https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-sure-doesnt-look-like-democ...
      - libertine 3y ago
        Wait, so when is convinient for Russia they are the rightful heirs of USSR, but when it's about the bad things, it's a different country? That's not how that works, you can't cherry-pick what you get. And the Chechnya genocide was also a different country? > ICC is a political entity, and noone actually cares about it. Is that the new Russian narrative? Then why can't Putin even go to South Africa or Brazil without being arrested? These are BRICS countries by the way!

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

Countries are banging on NATO's door because they don't want to end up like Ichkeria, Georgia or Ukraine.

ajsnigrutin 3y ago
Yep, after someone organizes a coup there to overthrow the government and replace them with a pro-nato one. And the non-nato states and up like syria, libya, iraq and afghanistan. I live in a shitty small EU state, and even we had soldiers occupying afghanistan and still have them in syria. No wonder the rest of the world hates us.

libertine 3y ago

NATO is an alliance of countries that feel they need protection. Why don't you question Russia's foreign policy with its neighbors? Why hasn't Russia established good relationships with those countries, instead of placing corrupt puppets as a way to control them? Anyway, sovereign countries, like Ukraine, are free to make their choices, if they want to join NATO, and if they have the requirements, they should be able to join - it isn't NATO enforcing themselves onto others, lie Russia as done for decades. > Ukraine is for russia the same as what cuba was for US... I really can't see that logic: when did the US invade Cuba and stated it was US land all along because ethnic Americans were being prosecuted by cubans?

ajsnigrutin 3y ago
So NATO bombing of yugoslavia was protection of nato countries? Oh no, wait, it was a direct agression by nato. ...because of fighting with a terrorist group. Where's the protection from the nato countries? > Why hasn't Russia established good relationships with those countries, instead of placing corrupt puppets as a way to control them? The puppets that won the elections and US had to organize a coup to remove? Victoria Nuland was literally giving away cookies there. Yes, cuba is free to make their choice to be friendly with the soviet union and station missles there. But this was enough for usa to plan a fals flag attack and start a war with cuba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods Luckily back then, diplomacy prevailed, and there was no war there.. but it was close. The embargo is still in play though,... There should be a vote in the UN against the embargo or something... oh wait, there was: https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 Just look at the results.
- libertine 3y ago
  > So NATO bombing of yugoslavia was protection of nato countries? Oh no, wait, it was a direct agression by nato. ...because of fighting with a terrorist group. NATO bombing Yugoslavia was because there was another genocide in the making (people seem to forget those, how they start and what it leads to). Guess who was against the intervention in the Security Council? Russia and China. > The puppets that won the elections and US had to organize a coup to remove? Victoria Nuland was literally giving away cookies there. Here comes the conspiracy theory, that a civil revolution after a president defraud their population with promises to try to join the EU, suddenly did a 180 turn in exchange for Russian cash - what a shock that people revolted. > Yes, cuba is free to make their choice to be friendly with the soviet union and station missles there. No one is placing nukes in Ukraine - yet apparently, they should now. Comparing Cuba in the 60's to Ukraine in 2023 is one of the most absurd pieces of Russian propaganda, only beaten by comparing Ukraine to Israel.