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I think it’s funny that this page has a “If you or someone you know is struggling or in mental health crisis …” blurb at the bottom. This is like Bud Light sayi

by lumb63 3y ago

I think it’s funny that this page has a “If you or someone you know is struggling or in mental health crisis …” blurb at the bottom. This is like Bud Light saying “please drink responsibly”. The entire point of this invention seems to be to lower the barrier to entry to suicide, so a statement discouraging suicide seems to me a strange thing to follow with.

NikkiA 3y ago
IIRC the Swiss assisted suicide orgs all specifically exclude depression as a valid reason anyway.
janice1999 3y ago
The article that loads under it for me is about a Golden Gate Bridge jump survivor who immediately regretted their decision. > Hines climbed on to the Golden Gate Bridge after feeling 'the most horrid, emotional, turmoil' he'd ever experienced, and has remembered since feeling 'compelled' to die until the moment he leapt from the railing. > "I thought it was too late. I said to myself, 'What have I done, I don't want to die'," Hines later said. "I realised I made the greatest mistake of my life."
justsomehnguy 3y ago
Yes but no. There are people who have no other options left except enduring the pain and deteriating life conditions for some, sometimes a long, months or even years, time. And there are people who, by their circumstances, think what there are no options for them left.
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amadeuspagel 3y ago
This is an american website reporting on something they disapprove of in switzerland, not an advertisement.
FireBeyond 3y ago
Not really. Maybe you got there because you're feeling out of options, and you're looking at "how to painlessly commit suicide", but you're not "opposed" to getting help, you're just pessimistic or hopeless about it. To me, a device like this is about "having made that decision", being in control, and it being clean. I'm a paramedic-firefighter. I have gone to every type of suicide you can imagine. And most of them are not "clean", even the ones you might think of. You can choke on vomit with an overdose. You can cause trauma (to yourself) by hanging. You can create a life threat for others (I've been to several suicides and attempts by CO poisoning) that we had to done breathing apparatus to get to the victim. I think even the inventors of this device would say something like - we don't want suicide to be or feel like your only option, but this device can make it as ... dignified ... as it can be. And while not removing the emotional trauma of loss itself for your family, friends, or the person who finds you, it can be "one less thing" (which, when someone might be considering "all I do is cause pain and misery" can be compelling).
- scotty79 3y ago
  How clean would you say is using toploaded freezer filled with nitrogen/argon/helium with electric bill prepaid for few years ahead?
pinkgolem 3y ago
I mean, depending on what you believe suicide is actually harm reducing in certain situations, so sending people to get help before considering seems very in line with those believes

by lumb63 3y ago

NikkiA 3y ago

IIRC the Swiss assisted suicide orgs all specifically exclude depression as a valid reason anyway.

janice1999 3y ago

The article that loads under it for me is about a Golden Gate Bridge jump survivor who immediately regretted their decision. > Hines climbed on to the Golden Gate Bridge after feeling 'the most horrid, emotional, turmoil' he'd ever experienced, and has remembered since feeling 'compelled' to die until the moment he leapt from the railing. > "I thought it was too late. I said to myself, 'What have I done, I don't want to die'," Hines later said. "I realised I made the greatest mistake of my life."

justsomehnguy 3y ago

Yes but no. There are people who have no other options left except enduring the pain and deteriating life conditions for some, sometimes a long, months or even years, time. And there are people who, by their circumstances, think what there are no options for them left.

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amadeuspagel 3y ago

This is an american website reporting on something they disapprove of in switzerland, not an advertisement.

FireBeyond 3y ago

Not really. Maybe you got there because you're feeling out of options, and you're looking at "how to painlessly commit suicide", but you're not "opposed" to getting help, you're just pessimistic or hopeless about it. To me, a device like this is about "having made that decision", being in control, and it being clean. I'm a paramedic-firefighter. I have gone to every type of suicide you can imagine. And most of them are not "clean", even the ones you might think of. You can choke on vomit with an overdose. You can cause trauma (to yourself) by hanging. You can create a life threat for others (I've been to several suicides and attempts by CO poisoning) that we had to done breathing apparatus to get to the victim. I think even the inventors of this device would say something like - we don't want suicide to be or feel like your only option, but this device can make it as ... dignified ... as it can be. And while not removing the emotional trauma of loss itself for your family, friends, or the person who finds you, it can be "one less thing" (which, when someone might be considering "all I do is cause pain and misery" can be compelling).

scotty79 3y ago
How clean would you say is using toploaded freezer filled with nitrogen/argon/helium with electric bill prepaid for few years ahead?

pinkgolem 3y ago

I mean, depending on what you believe suicide is actually harm reducing in certain situations, so sending people to get help before considering seems very in line with those believes