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> Yes but also had the right to deny that to those who couldn't take care for themselves(can't be burden to the society). UK choose not to pursue that but could
by kypro 3y ago
> Yes but also had the right to deny that to those who couldn't take care for themselves(can't be burden to the society). UK choose not to pursue that but could have.
The vast majority were not economic burdens though? So no we couldn't have pursed that apart from in the very small minority of cases where that was the case. We'd then need to go through a costly and timely legal process of proving it and deporting them.
> Yes, just different legislative path. UK was full EU member since the beginning and they created those trade deals within EU and they can change them within EU. Obviously they will need to convince others about the benefits of the chlorinated chicken so they can pass that change but they also need to do the same for the electorate in the UK ehen outside of EU.
I don't disagree with this, but it's also not wrong to say the the EU removed the ability from UK law makers to make trade deals independently of the EU. This meant everything the UK wanted to do we had to do with the approval of other EU nation states which often had different economies, cultures and economic goals.
The argument that we would have more control to make our own trade deals outside of the EU is true, although a good argument can be made that those trade deals will not be as favourable if we're acting independently of the worlds largest trading block. Neither black or white is helpful in my opinion.
> No. The idea is that meritocracy prevails, arbitrary discrimination is not OK. EU people apply for jobs freely, employers free chose the person who would like to work with and they can chose to work with a Brit or EU citizen if the like to. Why do you want the UK government discriminate against people?
I don't personally, no. But a lot of people in the UK didn't want UK jobs to be on offer to labourers from low-wage Eastern European countries.
I take the highly controversial view that the UK government should suppress working class wages via mass migration and ensure the UK public are educated enough to not need to compete with foreign low-skill labourers. I want agricultural workers and NHS staff to be under paid if it means cheaper food and health care for natives, but obviously if you're a labourer working in those sectors you might not view this arrangement so favourably. People have also taken moral disagreement with me about whether it's right to engineer a migrant labour underclass at the benefit of natives, but if you don't discriminate against people from low-wage economies then this is almost inevitably the result.
- mrtksn 3y agoYes, EU migrants were a net positive. What Brexit did was to take their rights to contribute to the British economy - now they need visa for that and the best stay in their countries or go to USA. I don't know why you fantasise about discriminating against productive law abading EU citizens. I guess you personally are better of out of EU and EU is better of by not having you. It's very creepy that you are annoyed that you can't arbitrarily discriminate against EU citizens. Also, there's no such thing as a low-wage Eastern Europeans, they still rent in UK and shop in UK and are employed within the UK labour laws. If you are against low wages you should increase the minimum wage, if you can't compete against Eastern Europeans it's because you don't provide enough value to the employer to choose you. If British are outcompeted in the labour market, maybe British should re-evaluate their education system. British employers don't hire Bulgarian butchers when they need JavaScript developers just because it's cheaper to hire Bulgarian butchers. It simply means that Brits don't have the skills for the money they ask, the Eastern European ones have it and that's why they get the job at free market rate.
- avmich 3y agoThe problem - or at least one of them, it seems - here is the speed of changes. Britons may be not that much against the lower-paid Eastern European, if their "invasion" doesn't happen overnight and Britons have time to adjust. However it's harder to organize with binary choice "in EU - not in EU", maybe it needs to have a longer period of gradually allowing more and more of the change. Obviously you can't change education system or even re-train the existing workers in the face of sudden coming of a lot of maybe more narrowly specialized but cheaper workforce.
- mrtksn 3y agoAs I said, there's no such thing as lower-paid Eastern Europeans. Whoever works in UK is employed under the same rules as the British. You might complain about expanding the talent pool but that's a good thing. If you think that expanding the talent pool is a bad thing, you can shut down schools and ban having kids to shrink talent pool in order to protect the current jobs. Also, nothing sudden happened in 2016 about Eastern Europeans, Poland joined 12 years before that and Bulgaria and Romania 9 years.