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Since you haven't replied with any actual critique of the analysis done by the National Bureau of Economic Research I assume you don't have any? Have you even

Since you haven't replied with any actual critique of the analysis done by the National Bureau of Economic Research I assume you don't have any? Have you even read their report?

thriftwy 3y ago
> Russia, China and the Philippines use disinformation techniques to control their internal populations. Apologies, but I've stopped reading after this. As a Russian classic said, "Homer, Milton and Panikovsky". But wait, there is more: > In supporting Syria, Russia has used disinformation to cover the brutality of its attacks on civilian populations In supporting Israel, the Unitet States has... Can you please finish this one for me?
- eigenket 3y ago
  Do you think that I'm going to shy away from saying the US, Israel and other allies have committed brutal attacks on civilian populations? Yeah that has repeatedly happened. Doesn't have anything to do with the point at hand though, which you have continued to not answer because you have no good answers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    You are firewalled from any repercussions of these attacks. At the same time you believe that citizens of other, less privileged countries, should bear full responsibility for the attacks of their government or its allies. At least, you act that way; what's in your head, I do not know.
    - eigenket 3y ago
      Where did I say I hold random Russian citizens guilty for the actions of their government? I certainly don't. The vast majority of Russian citizens are victims of their shitty government, just like the rest of us who have been impacted by it. In any case, let's get back to the point we were talking about: Russian influence on the brexit referendum, you still haven't offered any counterpoints relevant to anything I've said.
      - thriftwy 3y ago
        My argumentation is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and I've never seen any. It is unlikely that 150-pages journalistic bias piece will contain anything nearly sufficient. On the other hand, US&UK NGOs meddling just about anywhere is not extraordinary and there is plenty of evidence, including recently discovered navalnist, anti-war, pro-western troll farm.
        eigenket 3y ago
        Oh, are you calling it a war now? I thought you'd all been instructed that it was a "special military operation" or some similar nonsense. Let's try to be as objective as we can here. I think the fact that Russia and Cambridge analytica tried to influence the referendum is fairly incontrovertible. There is plenty of evidence for that. Now the question is whether or not they failed. For some reason you have decided the report I mentioned is biased. Why do you think that, other than it disagrees with what you believe?
        thriftwy 3y ago
        Russians are way less instructed than an average HN woke-toke. I just don't see how Russian influence could have moved the needle in any measurable fashion without a large number of boots on the ground. The report can be factually correct and the whole thing still pathetic.

Since you haven't replied with any actual critique of the analysis done by the National Bureau of Economic Research I assume you don't have any? Have you even read their report?

thriftwy 3y ago

> Russia, China and the Philippines use disinformation techniques to control their internal populations. Apologies, but I've stopped reading after this. As a Russian classic said, "Homer, Milton and Panikovsky". But wait, there is more: > In supporting Syria, Russia has used disinformation to cover the brutality of its attacks on civilian populations In supporting Israel, the Unitet States has... Can you please finish this one for me?

eigenket 3y ago
Do you think that I'm going to shy away from saying the US, Israel and other allies have committed brutal attacks on civilian populations? Yeah that has repeatedly happened. Doesn't have anything to do with the point at hand though, which you have continued to not answer because you have no good answers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- thriftwy 3y ago
  You are firewalled from any repercussions of these attacks. At the same time you believe that citizens of other, less privileged countries, should bear full responsibility for the attacks of their government or its allies. At least, you act that way; what's in your head, I do not know.
  - eigenket 3y ago
    Where did I say I hold random Russian citizens guilty for the actions of their government? I certainly don't. The vast majority of Russian citizens are victims of their shitty government, just like the rest of us who have been impacted by it. In any case, let's get back to the point we were talking about: Russian influence on the brexit referendum, you still haven't offered any counterpoints relevant to anything I've said.
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      My argumentation is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and I've never seen any. It is unlikely that 150-pages journalistic bias piece will contain anything nearly sufficient. On the other hand, US&UK NGOs meddling just about anywhere is not extraordinary and there is plenty of evidence, including recently discovered navalnist, anti-war, pro-western troll farm.
      - eigenket 3y ago
        Oh, are you calling it a war now? I thought you'd all been instructed that it was a "special military operation" or some similar nonsense. Let's try to be as objective as we can here. I think the fact that Russia and Cambridge analytica tried to influence the referendum is fairly incontrovertible. There is plenty of evidence for that. Now the question is whether or not they failed. For some reason you have decided the report I mentioned is biased. Why do you think that, other than it disagrees with what you believe?
        thriftwy 3y ago
        Russians are way less instructed than an average HN woke-toke. I just don't see how Russian influence could have moved the needle in any measurable fashion without a large number of boots on the ground. The report can be factually correct and the whole thing still pathetic.