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No particular surprise there, although 2000 Britons also seems like a pretty small sample size. A question for the Britons on HN: have you perceived any discer

No particular surprise there, although 2000 Britons also seems like a pretty small sample size. A question for the Britons on HN: have you perceived any discernible benefits to Brexit? My outsider’s (American) perception is that it has been pretty uniformly negative.

throwup238 3y ago
After 13 years of austerity the 2010s are a lost decade for the Uk and Brexit is just the cherry on top of a shit sundae.
switchers 3y ago
There are basically no benefits unless you are very very rich and knew what was coming far enough in advance for some convoluted disaster capitalism. Most reasonable non thick people were either against it to start with, or have since realised they've been misled.
drxzcl 3y ago
If you plug in the numbers into a sample size calculator you will find that a sample size of 2000 enables you to get an estimate within 5% of the true value 99.999% of the time for an infinite population. So, not exactly small, no. https://www.calculator.net/sample-size-calculator.html https://www.calculator.net/sample-size-calculator.html
- midasuni 3y ago
  As long as you have a decent sample set, which the reputable polling companies do.
  - drxzcl 3y ago
    And as long as the thing you are polling is about 50:50. It’s hard to poll more skewed things, and you need larger sample sizes.
- zh3 3y ago
  As long as the sample is representative, of course. 2000 does seem small enough that it would be hard to ensure no bias creeps in.
  - drxzcl 3y ago
    If only there were a whole field of study dedicated to this, and you could hire experts to run studies for you…
- darajava 3y ago
  It doesn’t say where the sample was taken. London? Yorkshire? It almost certainly wasn’t taken at random.
PaulKeeble 3y ago
A minister post to find and pursue the opportunities for Brexit was created to showcase the benefits and the entire office has come up with nothing of note, most of the benefits were possible within the EU already.
hobolobo 3y ago
None whatsoever. Brexit has been a disaster, especially for Wales which received substantial EU funding.
midasuni 3y ago
There’s loads. Genealogy companies (find your unknown link to European citizen through Great Uncle Norris), immigration lawyers, people working for GB news…
dfawcus 3y ago
The government are no longer able to use EU rules as an excuse for their failures. It is now all on them. So there is a definite path of responsibility. People have to wake up to that, and let the politicians know. It is likely we'll have a flop to a Labour government at the next GE. Once they also show their incompetence, we may have a chance for improving things. Say starting in around 7-10 years time. That period should be too soon for any successful rejoin movement, as that is in the gift of the EU, and the MS. Brexit was (by definition) always a political thing, not an economic thing.
pmuk 3y ago
Positives: - Zero discernible benefits so far. Negatives: - Loss of freedom to live, work, study & retire across Europe. Visas now required, often with high income requirements. - 90/180 day limit on travel. Longer queues at airports, etc when entering the EU to get passports stamped. - Loss of access to EU/EEA single market, so exporters face significant red tape. This benefits larger companies who can deal with the paper work versus smaller companies in the UK - but still disadvantages all UK companies compared to their European peers. - Increased mobile roaming fees for UK travellers to Europe. - Outside Digital Single Market: we can no longer watch TV services like Now TV, Sky while traveling in Europe even with a VPN. - Loss of EU "passporting" rights for UK financial institutions. - Irish Sea Border leads to some strange outcomes: creates a customs border within the UK and those born in Northern Ireland have more rights than those born in England, Wales and Scotland since they can retain EU free movement by applying for an Irish passport. Before Brexit a UK citizen could just jump in a car, train or plane and travel across the EU/EEA almost as if they were in their own country.
tim333 3y ago
Less politicians to keep track off? We can just keep an eye on the UK ones and not worry about the Brussels lot?
zoenolan 3y ago
What pmuk said in a sibling comment, plus - Destabilising Northern Ireland [1] - Problems harvesting crops [2] - Breaking international law [3] - Irish supply chains have been reconfigured to bypass the UK [4] Economics Explained recently did a couple of videos on the UK economy and the current problems. Not limited to Brexit but also not made better [5][6]. The FT did a similar video a year ago [7] [1] https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-policy-on-northern-ireland/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-impact-of-brex... [2] https://committees.parliament.uk/work/1497/labour-shortages-in-the-food-and-farming-sector/ https://committees.parliament.uk/work/1497/labour-shortages-... [3] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220614IPR32901/serious-breach-of-international-law-meps-call-on-uk-not-to-adopt-new-bill https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220614IP... [4] https://www.politico.eu/article/ferry-firms-avoid-britain-with-brexit-buster-services-from-ireland-to-eu/ https://www.politico.eu/article/ferry-firms-avoid-britain-wi... [5] https://youtu.be/P0G3lYTOI0Q https://youtu.be/P0G3lYTOI0Q [6] https://youtu.be/VUnAr0Msx9c https://youtu.be/VUnAr0Msx9c [7] https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y

throwup238 3y ago

After 13 years of austerity the 2010s are a lost decade for the Uk and Brexit is just the cherry on top of a shit sundae.

switchers 3y ago

There are basically no benefits unless you are very very rich and knew what was coming far enough in advance for some convoluted disaster capitalism. Most reasonable non thick people were either against it to start with, or have since realised they've been misled.

drxzcl 3y ago

If you plug in the numbers into a sample size calculator you will find that a sample size of 2000 enables you to get an estimate within 5% of the true value 99.999% of the time for an infinite population. So, not exactly small, no. https://www.calculator.net/sample-size-calculator.html https://www.calculator.net/sample-size-calculator.html

midasuni 3y ago
As long as you have a decent sample set, which the reputable polling companies do.
- drxzcl 3y ago
  And as long as the thing you are polling is about 50:50. It’s hard to poll more skewed things, and you need larger sample sizes.
zh3 3y ago
As long as the sample is representative, of course. 2000 does seem small enough that it would be hard to ensure no bias creeps in.
- drxzcl 3y ago
  If only there were a whole field of study dedicated to this, and you could hire experts to run studies for you…
darajava 3y ago
It doesn’t say where the sample was taken. London? Yorkshire? It almost certainly wasn’t taken at random.

PaulKeeble 3y ago

A minister post to find and pursue the opportunities for Brexit was created to showcase the benefits and the entire office has come up with nothing of note, most of the benefits were possible within the EU already.

hobolobo 3y ago

None whatsoever. Brexit has been a disaster, especially for Wales which received substantial EU funding.

midasuni 3y ago

There’s loads. Genealogy companies (find your unknown link to European citizen through Great Uncle Norris), immigration lawyers, people working for GB news…

dfawcus 3y ago

The government are no longer able to use EU rules as an excuse for their failures. It is now all on them. So there is a definite path of responsibility. People have to wake up to that, and let the politicians know. It is likely we'll have a flop to a Labour government at the next GE. Once they also show their incompetence, we may have a chance for improving things. Say starting in around 7-10 years time. That period should be too soon for any successful rejoin movement, as that is in the gift of the EU, and the MS. Brexit was (by definition) always a political thing, not an economic thing.

pmuk 3y ago

Positives: - Zero discernible benefits so far. Negatives: - Loss of freedom to live, work, study & retire across Europe. Visas now required, often with high income requirements. - 90/180 day limit on travel. Longer queues at airports, etc when entering the EU to get passports stamped. - Loss of access to EU/EEA single market, so exporters face significant red tape. This benefits larger companies who can deal with the paper work versus smaller companies in the UK - but still disadvantages all UK companies compared to their European peers. - Increased mobile roaming fees for UK travellers to Europe. - Outside Digital Single Market: we can no longer watch TV services like Now TV, Sky while traveling in Europe even with a VPN. - Loss of EU "passporting" rights for UK financial institutions. - Irish Sea Border leads to some strange outcomes: creates a customs border within the UK and those born in Northern Ireland have more rights than those born in England, Wales and Scotland since they can retain EU free movement by applying for an Irish passport. Before Brexit a UK citizen could just jump in a car, train or plane and travel across the EU/EEA almost as if they were in their own country.

tim333 3y ago

Less politicians to keep track off? We can just keep an eye on the UK ones and not worry about the Brussels lot?

zoenolan 3y ago

What pmuk said in a sibling comment, plus - Destabilising Northern Ireland [1] - Problems harvesting crops [2] - Breaking international law [3] - Irish supply chains have been reconfigured to bypass the UK [4] Economics Explained recently did a couple of videos on the UK economy and the current problems. Not limited to Brexit but also not made better [5][6]. The FT did a similar video a year ago [7] [1] https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-policy-on-northern-ireland/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/the-impact-of-brex... [2] https://committees.parliament.uk/work/1497/labour-shortages-in-the-food-and-farming-sector/ https://committees.parliament.uk/work/1497/labour-shortages-... [3] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220614IPR32901/serious-breach-of-international-law-meps-call-on-uk-not-to-adopt-new-bill https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220614IP... [4] https://www.politico.eu/article/ferry-firms-avoid-britain-with-brexit-buster-services-from-ireland-to-eu/ https://www.politico.eu/article/ferry-firms-avoid-britain-wi... [5] https://youtu.be/P0G3lYTOI0Q https://youtu.be/P0G3lYTOI0Q [6] https://youtu.be/VUnAr0Msx9c https://youtu.be/VUnAr0Msx9c [7] https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y