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> the teenager already received the punishment for his actions by the destruction of their own property > Cars have always been dangerous, and aside from gross

> the teenager already received the punishment for his actions by the destruction of their own property > Cars have always been dangerous, and aside from gross safety and emissions laws, we're allowed to modify them. These statements are inherently ignoring the externalities that the dangers pose to others on the roads and streets. For years we’ve allowed people to essentially modify their cars however they want, we’re allowing car companies to build vehicles that are literally killing people on the streets with little action to prevent it. This status quo is really bad and we should fix it. People should not be allowed to drive lifted vehicles on urban streets. If modifying your car was only something that negatively impacted the owner, that would be fine. But the fact is that modifying cars tends to make them more dangerous to others on the street, not just the occupants of the car. We need more safety controls on car companies, not less. We need cars to have automatic speed controls that limit them to the speed limit on the street. This isn’t a debate about if people should be allowed to modify their equipment, but if they do, they shouldn’t be allowed to drive that on public roads. Take it to the track or some off-roading specific place, not our public streets where we’re now seeing the highest pedestrian death rates in the last 40 years.

shkkmo 3y ago
> These statements are inherently ignoring the externalities that the dangers pose to others on the roads and streets. No, they don't. We don't ban alcohol or cars because of drunk drivers. We don't even require a breathlyzer reading before cars start. Instead, we try to discourage that behavior with education and penalties. We penalize drunk drivers after they harm other road users or we try to catch them beforehand based on driving irregularities. I do suspect we will see restrictions on what software can be run on cars. I hope those restrictions allow open source solutions to be viable. Ideally there would be a cost effective federal system of safety approval for any release of self driving software and we'll allow users to run any approved system on publix roads so that ownership of devices isn't lost. Unfortunately I think regulatory capture makes a positive outcome here unlikely.
- bluejekyll 3y ago
  > We don't even require a breathlyzer reading before cars start. Actually we do for repeat offenders. On top of that there is active discussion of having car companies detect if someone is impaired before driving. Driving is not a right, it’s a privilege, and far too many people abuse that privilege. > we try to discourage that behavior with education and penalties. Try is the operative word here, we try and we fail because there isn’t enough enforcement on our streets.

shkkmo 3y ago

> These statements are inherently ignoring the externalities that the dangers pose to others on the roads and streets. No, they don't. We don't ban alcohol or cars because of drunk drivers. We don't even require a breathlyzer reading before cars start. Instead, we try to discourage that behavior with education and penalties. We penalize drunk drivers after they harm other road users or we try to catch them beforehand based on driving irregularities. I do suspect we will see restrictions on what software can be run on cars. I hope those restrictions allow open source solutions to be viable. Ideally there would be a cost effective federal system of safety approval for any release of self driving software and we'll allow users to run any approved system on publix roads so that ownership of devices isn't lost. Unfortunately I think regulatory capture makes a positive outcome here unlikely.

bluejekyll 3y ago
> We don't even require a breathlyzer reading before cars start. Actually we do for repeat offenders. On top of that there is active discussion of having car companies detect if someone is impaired before driving. Driving is not a right, it’s a privilege, and far too many people abuse that privilege. > we try to discourage that behavior with education and penalties. Try is the operative word here, we try and we fail because there isn’t enough enforcement on our streets.