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Communism seems bad because Western countries still have a good quality of life for a large percentage of the population. The moment this stops being the case,

Communism seems bad because Western countries still have a good quality of life for a large percentage of the population. The moment this stops being the case, people in the West will be clamoring for communism. This is just a matter of time and perspective.

j4yav 3y ago
The children yearn for the state-owned mines
- ctxSw1tch 3y ago
  USSR wasn’t communist it was fascist. That it was communist was propaganda so communist == bad. It’s not about economics but the emotional tone of a society. Under capitalism in the US I can let you die in the streets without lifting a finger. Guess you didn’t capitalize hard enough.
  - _teyd 3y ago
    Your position is the state communist party of the Soviet Union wasn't communist, they were fascist, but they called themselves communist to make communism look bad? These guys? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Part...
    - marginalia_nu 3y ago
      In recent years, the term fascism has grown to expand almost anything with an authoritarian or totalitarian bent, which would certainly include at least the Lenin and Stalin years of the Soviet Union. Though I think this is a bit of unfortunate expansion of its definition, as it leaves us with no term to use when talking about Fascism.
      - _teyd 3y ago
        I could sort of see that, though I think authoritarian does a fine job of saying the same thing. But to say the communist party of the Soviet Union wasn't communist, that they used the word communism to make communism/themselves look bad? Thats hard to even follow the logic.
        marginalia_nu 3y ago
        Yes, I think it's a bit of an unfortunate linguistic development. (Also I agree the notion of the Soviet Union as an elaborate Fascist false flag operation is pretty hilarious)
marginalia_nu 3y ago
Well by Marx' predictions, this should already have happened. It throws a real spanner in the works for the theory that the evolution of a society is quite so inevitable and predictable. But this comes back to my point. This is essentially putting faith in Asimov-style psychohistory.
- bryan_w 3y ago
  Well that's why they use tools like tiktok to try to convince the West that life is terrible and everyone is miserable. They need to speed things along
- coliveira 3y ago
  Marx theory is about the fight of classes in society. There is nothing predictable about how this fight will happen. The only prediction is that in the end only one class will remain. It cannot be the bourgeoisie simply because they don't work! Moreover, even if only the bourgeoisie happened to survive without work, their instinct is to kill each other (economically) until only one remains. So his observation, that the final state must be some form of socialism or total destruction, makes complete sense.

j4yav 3y ago

The children yearn for the state-owned mines

ctxSw1tch 3y ago
USSR wasn’t communist it was fascist. That it was communist was propaganda so communist == bad. It’s not about economics but the emotional tone of a society. Under capitalism in the US I can let you die in the streets without lifting a finger. Guess you didn’t capitalize hard enough.
- _teyd 3y ago
  Your position is the state communist party of the Soviet Union wasn't communist, they were fascist, but they called themselves communist to make communism look bad? These guys? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_the_Communist_Part...
  - marginalia_nu 3y ago
    In recent years, the term fascism has grown to expand almost anything with an authoritarian or totalitarian bent, which would certainly include at least the Lenin and Stalin years of the Soviet Union. Though I think this is a bit of unfortunate expansion of its definition, as it leaves us with no term to use when talking about Fascism.
    - _teyd 3y ago
      I could sort of see that, though I think authoritarian does a fine job of saying the same thing. But to say the communist party of the Soviet Union wasn't communist, that they used the word communism to make communism/themselves look bad? Thats hard to even follow the logic.
      - marginalia_nu 3y ago
        Yes, I think it's a bit of an unfortunate linguistic development. (Also I agree the notion of the Soviet Union as an elaborate Fascist false flag operation is pretty hilarious)

marginalia_nu 3y ago

Well by Marx' predictions, this should already have happened. It throws a real spanner in the works for the theory that the evolution of a society is quite so inevitable and predictable. But this comes back to my point. This is essentially putting faith in Asimov-style psychohistory.

bryan_w 3y ago
Well that's why they use tools like tiktok to try to convince the West that life is terrible and everyone is miserable. They need to speed things along
coliveira 3y ago
Marx theory is about the fight of classes in society. There is nothing predictable about how this fight will happen. The only prediction is that in the end only one class will remain. It cannot be the bourgeoisie simply because they don't work! Moreover, even if only the bourgeoisie happened to survive without work, their instinct is to kill each other (economically) until only one remains. So his observation, that the final state must be some form of socialism or total destruction, makes complete sense.