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And how are you supposed to make money from something you invent? Let’s say you make a hit video game. Without copyright people can pirate your game, steal the

And how are you supposed to make money from something you invent? Let’s say you make a hit video game. Without copyright people can pirate your game, steal the art, make unauthorized derivative works, etc. it’s just theft.

kayodelycaon 3y ago
My personal observation is people who are against copyright in absolute terms have never or rarely needed their protection. (Or never considered the implications.) I’m not making a dig at people here. This is just human nature. It’s difficult to see the value in something that you only see as an obstacle. Open source software is rather unusual. It’s a commune on a massive scale and it gets its value from the generosity of others. in my opinion, it is possibly one of the greatest achievements in the history and future of computing. However, it heavily depends on copyright to exist. GPL has encouraged (or forced) many companies to contribute to the community when they wouldn’t have otherwise.
- asylteltine 3y ago
  This is true and I see it with cops and free speech as well. Everyone loves to hate cops… until they need them. Everyone wants to defund the police… until they are a victim of crime. Everyone wants to enforce certain speech patterns… until it affects them
  - Snow_Falls 3y ago
    Everyone is a free speech absolutist until they're the one targeted. Everyone loves cops until it's their rights being violated... These sorts of arguments can be made in either direction.
  - MeImCounting 3y ago
    This isnt a great take at all. Copyright is certainly an important part of our society upon which like the parent said, Open Source Software and other incredibly valuable things lie. Cops on the other hand solely exist for the reason of locking people in cages. Why you ever feel like you need to have someone else locked in a cage is beyond me. When I have been the victim of a crime the cops have not shown and when they did have been less than helpful. This is a pattern for all the people in my subjective bubble. About that whole speech patterns thing. I assume you mean addressing people in a polite way? Thats not enforcing certain speech patterns thats actually just being a respectful member of society.
    - Zpalmtree 3y ago
      > Why you ever feel like you need to have someone else locked in a cage is beyond me Uh, maybe if they murder people?
      - asylteltine 3y ago
        Or steal your car, or break your nose, or rob your house, etc. I guess those are solved problems then?
kromem 3y ago
Star Citizen could release and immediately be pirated and never sell a single copy from release onwards and likely still have ended up profitable. Maybe the business models around creation need to be revisited such that interested parties pay for the creation of a product and not distribution of a product. Where periodically at each stage of that creation you are getting continued buy in that what you are creating has a market demand that will fund its continued creation. If you are an indie game developer maybe that means making a demo which gets enough interest to fund you spending the time and resources to make a full game, with no expectations for further revenue post-creation, but with its success meaning your next project is even easier to fund the development of and a comfortable lifestyle rinse and repeating.
- opyate 3y ago
  > If you are an indie game developer... We're kinda doing this already with Patreon: give us 5 quid a month, and you get a little game every whenever.

kayodelycaon 3y ago

My personal observation is people who are against copyright in absolute terms have never or rarely needed their protection. (Or never considered the implications.) I’m not making a dig at people here. This is just human nature. It’s difficult to see the value in something that you only see as an obstacle. Open source software is rather unusual. It’s a commune on a massive scale and it gets its value from the generosity of others. in my opinion, it is possibly one of the greatest achievements in the history and future of computing. However, it heavily depends on copyright to exist. GPL has encouraged (or forced) many companies to contribute to the community when they wouldn’t have otherwise.

asylteltine 3y ago
This is true and I see it with cops and free speech as well. Everyone loves to hate cops… until they need them. Everyone wants to defund the police… until they are a victim of crime. Everyone wants to enforce certain speech patterns… until it affects them
- Snow_Falls 3y ago
  Everyone is a free speech absolutist until they're the one targeted. Everyone loves cops until it's their rights being violated... These sorts of arguments can be made in either direction.
- MeImCounting 3y ago
  This isnt a great take at all. Copyright is certainly an important part of our society upon which like the parent said, Open Source Software and other incredibly valuable things lie. Cops on the other hand solely exist for the reason of locking people in cages. Why you ever feel like you need to have someone else locked in a cage is beyond me. When I have been the victim of a crime the cops have not shown and when they did have been less than helpful. This is a pattern for all the people in my subjective bubble. About that whole speech patterns thing. I assume you mean addressing people in a polite way? Thats not enforcing certain speech patterns thats actually just being a respectful member of society.
  - Zpalmtree 3y ago
    > Why you ever feel like you need to have someone else locked in a cage is beyond me Uh, maybe if they murder people?
    - asylteltine 3y ago
      Or steal your car, or break your nose, or rob your house, etc. I guess those are solved problems then?

kromem 3y ago

Star Citizen could release and immediately be pirated and never sell a single copy from release onwards and likely still have ended up profitable. Maybe the business models around creation need to be revisited such that interested parties pay for the creation of a product and not distribution of a product. Where periodically at each stage of that creation you are getting continued buy in that what you are creating has a market demand that will fund its continued creation. If you are an indie game developer maybe that means making a demo which gets enough interest to fund you spending the time and resources to make a full game, with no expectations for further revenue post-creation, but with its success meaning your next project is even easier to fund the development of and a comfortable lifestyle rinse and repeating.

opyate 3y ago
> If you are an indie game developer... We're kinda doing this already with Patreon: give us 5 quid a month, and you get a little game every whenever.