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I might be a bit idealistic, but I've always believed that the core purpose of art and publishing should be to influence culture and society, not just to make a

I might be a bit idealistic, but I've always believed that the core purpose of art and publishing should be to influence culture and society, not just to make a heap of money. That's why I feel original work needs its protection, but it should enter the public domain much sooner to fuel creativity and inspiration. We should be thinking in terms of a few years for this transition, not decades.

mypastself 3y ago
The claim that art’s core purpose is societal impact seems to be a common refrain in today’s media, and I completely disagree. Its principal purpose is provoking emotion in the individual. This idea of art teaching you a lesson is likely why there’s so much ham-fisted “activist” fiction anowadays.
- marckrn 3y ago
  I agree, but by extension of provoking emotion it CAN change society, but it doesn't have to - wether on purpose or not. The point I was trying to make was that occupying mindspace, providing inspiration, being culturally influencal etc. are idealistic, non-monitary rewards that should be part of the equation when discussing alleged IP-theft, remixing, attribution and so on. I'm not saying their shouldn't be any rules. All I'm saying is that there should be a discussion of how we want to handle these things going forward. This train ain't stopping. Maybe your avg DeviantArt painter needs more IP-protection and -rights than Damien Hurst? Maybe an unknown, independent blogger doing important original research should be attributed more prominently than an article by The Times? Idk.
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    These things kind of rub up against the core question: What is the purpose of granting exclusivity to a creator (thru copyright)? That's an answer we have. To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts. If we have to squint hard to make our justification align with copyright's purpose or have to follow a long logic-chain to get back to it's purpose - that's a strong indicator we have lost our way.
endisneigh 3y ago
Why should art be subject to these rules and not everything else?
- danielbln 3y ago
  OP said art and publishing, which would include anything from software, music, books and so on.
  - endisneigh 3y ago
    So you interpret it as including everything? If so why emphasize art at all?
    - danielbln 3y ago
      Probably because the article focuses a lot on copyrighted art?
kranke155 3y ago
So what do you suggest artists have for dinner.
- marckrn 3y ago
  Let's advocate for robust protections and support systems for artists, ensuring they can secure a sustainable and comfortable livelihood from their creative work. Once they hit the tipping point of broad cultural absorbtion (think Banksy) AND/OR raking in absurd amounts of cash, move their IP into the public domain more aggressively (think Disney, NYT, etc.). How exactly this would work should be debated. They'd still own the IP and have all the rights to use it commercially, but other's would be able to use it as inspiration, remix and maybe even resell it if attributed (or cheaply licensed). In other words: "IP-Tax" the unproportionally successful.
  - kranke155 3y ago
    wow and incredible amount of things need to go right for artists to do well in your world ?
    - marckrn 3y ago
      I too would love to earn a living by pursuing my hobbies. Too bad, I'm not in the 0,001-0,1%
      - kranke155 3y ago
        You don’t seem to have any idea what artists do to make a living
      - rsync 3y ago
        "I too would love to earn a living by pursuing my hobbies. Too bad, I'm not in the 0,001-0,1%" This is an unsophisticated view because it looks at a risk/reward scenario and assigns zero value to the risk. The risk has value - regardless of the success, or reward. Put another way: you don't get to discount the risk to zero when it results in a large reward. Entities that took no risks and received enormous rewards (like President George W. Bush involvement in the Texas Rangers[1]) are probably quite pleased that you ignore them and focus on artists that sacrifice traditional life scripts (an enormous risk) and, very rarely, achieve great success. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_life_of_George_W._Bush#Texas_Rangers_and_allegations_of_insider_trading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_life_of_George_W....

mypastself 3y ago

The claim that art’s core purpose is societal impact seems to be a common refrain in today’s media, and I completely disagree. Its principal purpose is provoking emotion in the individual. This idea of art teaching you a lesson is likely why there’s so much ham-fisted “activist” fiction anowadays.

marckrn 3y ago
I agree, but by extension of provoking emotion it CAN change society, but it doesn't have to - wether on purpose or not. The point I was trying to make was that occupying mindspace, providing inspiration, being culturally influencal etc. are idealistic, non-monitary rewards that should be part of the equation when discussing alleged IP-theft, remixing, attribution and so on. I'm not saying their shouldn't be any rules. All I'm saying is that there should be a discussion of how we want to handle these things going forward. This train ain't stopping. Maybe your avg DeviantArt painter needs more IP-protection and -rights than Damien Hurst? Maybe an unknown, independent blogger doing important original research should be attributed more prominently than an article by The Times? Idk.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  These things kind of rub up against the core question: What is the purpose of granting exclusivity to a creator (thru copyright)? That's an answer we have. To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts. If we have to squint hard to make our justification align with copyright's purpose or have to follow a long logic-chain to get back to it's purpose - that's a strong indicator we have lost our way.

endisneigh 3y ago

Why should art be subject to these rules and not everything else?

danielbln 3y ago
OP said art and publishing, which would include anything from software, music, books and so on.
- endisneigh 3y ago
  So you interpret it as including everything? If so why emphasize art at all?
  - danielbln 3y ago
    Probably because the article focuses a lot on copyrighted art?

kranke155 3y ago

So what do you suggest artists have for dinner.

marckrn 3y ago
Let's advocate for robust protections and support systems for artists, ensuring they can secure a sustainable and comfortable livelihood from their creative work. Once they hit the tipping point of broad cultural absorbtion (think Banksy) AND/OR raking in absurd amounts of cash, move their IP into the public domain more aggressively (think Disney, NYT, etc.). How exactly this would work should be debated. They'd still own the IP and have all the rights to use it commercially, but other's would be able to use it as inspiration, remix and maybe even resell it if attributed (or cheaply licensed). In other words: "IP-Tax" the unproportionally successful.
- kranke155 3y ago
  wow and incredible amount of things need to go right for artists to do well in your world ?
  - marckrn 3y ago
    I too would love to earn a living by pursuing my hobbies. Too bad, I'm not in the 0,001-0,1%
    - kranke155 3y ago
      You don’t seem to have any idea what artists do to make a living
    - rsync 3y ago
      "I too would love to earn a living by pursuing my hobbies. Too bad, I'm not in the 0,001-0,1%" This is an unsophisticated view because it looks at a risk/reward scenario and assigns zero value to the risk. The risk has value - regardless of the success, or reward. Put another way: you don't get to discount the risk to zero when it results in a large reward. Entities that took no risks and received enormous rewards (like President George W. Bush involvement in the Texas Rangers[1]) are probably quite pleased that you ignore them and focus on artists that sacrifice traditional life scripts (an enormous risk) and, very rarely, achieve great success. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_life_of_George_W._Bush#Texas_Rangers_and_allegations_of_insider_trading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_life_of_George_W....