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In practice, what happens next when websites all start to block openai by default (or change their TOS to disallow OpenAI’s crawlers)? It seems like there’s li

by nojs 3y ago

In practice, what happens next when websites all start to block openai by default (or change their TOS to disallow OpenAI’s crawlers)? It seems like there’s little incentive not to do this, because unlike Google OpenAI isn’t bringing any traffic or eyeballs. It may end up being a default setting in Wordpress for example. But OpenAI presumably can’t afford to pay every single long tail source of content on the whole internet — so how does this end?

golol 3y ago
It's not like you can hide the web from OpenAI. They could just use a secret crawler. Or buy the data from a third party company.
CaptainFever 3y ago
> or change their TOS to disallow OpenAI’s crawlers Additionally, this TOS can be ignored if you're in a jurisdiction with TDM exceptions. > Finally, owing to the bar against contractual override, once a user complies with any conditions for gaining lawful access to a work (such as signing as a subscriber and/or making payment), he will be entitled to use the work for TDM purposes even if the terms of use expressly prohibit this. Content owners may wish to relook their business models and, where necessary, price-in the possibility that the licensed works may be used for TDM. Source: https://www.twobirds.com/en/insights/2021/singapore/coming-up-in-singapore-new-copyright-exception-for-text-and-data-mining https://www.twobirds.com/en/insights/2021/singapore/coming-u...
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  That doesn't mean you can then use the output of generative AI in non-TDM jurisdictions without getting sued. Also TDM exceptions are not necessarily going to be lawful/possible in many jurisdictions.
dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
This is what will kill generative AI and there is nothing the courts or lawmakers can do about it. Even in a fair use scenario you can't beat the TOS.

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In practice, what happens next when websites all start to block openai by default (or change their TOS to disallow OpenAI’s crawlers)? It seems like there’s li

by nojs 3y ago

golol 3y ago
It's not like you can hide the web from OpenAI. They could just use a secret crawler. Or buy the data from a third party company.
CaptainFever 3y ago
> or change their TOS to disallow OpenAI’s crawlers Additionally, this TOS can be ignored if you're in a jurisdiction with TDM exceptions. > Finally, owing to the bar against contractual override, once a user complies with any conditions for gaining lawful access to a work (such as signing as a subscriber and/or making payment), he will be entitled to use the work for TDM purposes even if the terms of use expressly prohibit this. Content owners may wish to relook their business models and, where necessary, price-in the possibility that the licensed works may be used for TDM. Source: https://www.twobirds.com/en/insights/2021/singapore/coming-up-in-singapore-new-copyright-exception-for-text-and-data-mining https://www.twobirds.com/en/insights/2021/singapore/coming-u...
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
  That doesn't mean you can then use the output of generative AI in non-TDM jurisdictions without getting sued. Also TDM exceptions are not necessarily going to be lawful/possible in many jurisdictions.
dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
This is what will kill generative AI and there is nothing the courts or lawmakers can do about it. Even in a fair use scenario you can't beat the TOS.