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It's often cheaper to just give welfare than to make up work for people. Furthermore, an Amazon engineer isn't going to be any less stressed about his mortgage

It's often cheaper to just give welfare than to make up work for people. Furthermore, an Amazon engineer isn't going to be any less stressed about his mortgage if you give him a street cleaning job. If you really want to help people, we need to drastically bring down the cost of living in cities through building more housing, then provide some unemployment or ubi to keep you afloat with your savings while you look for something worthwhile to do.

lifestyleguru 3y ago
> bring down the cost of living in cities through building more housing, Housing is not ruled by the supply and demand wizardry. Housing is subject of infinite cash from fossil fuels, oligarchs, pension funds, dynastic family fortunes, and mortgage leverage by individuals already owning real estate. You build more, more will be purchased and the prices will still grow.
- zeroCalories 3y ago
  You are acting schizophrenic brother
- MVissers 3y ago
  Do you have data for that? Occupancy is at record highs in most US cities. It’s simply too little inventory, mostly due to local regulations and NIMBY’s. Most housing is owned by ppl, and a lot of the nation’s net worth is tied up in housing, disencentivising the lowering of house pricing. You could see it duting covid in NY, people left and inventory went up. Rent and housing came down. Same now in SF, ppl leave, inventory goes up, prices come down. It’s not that complex really. Solving it will not be easy though.
- cornel_io 3y ago
  No, pretty much every piece of all three sentences you write is completely, utterly, and without any reservation wrong. In fact they are so ridiculously wrong and go against every piece of actual data that has ever been produced by reputable sources that unless you actually show your cards (I know that some NIMBY groups have fake and/or misleading data, which we have seen and rebutted many times before, so I really do encourage you to try if you're serious) I have to assume you're just trolling.
  - lifestyleguru 3y ago
    We are absolutely talking about two different locations. I'm talking about Europe. Let me know once apartments in Zurich, Barcelona, Paris, Milan, or even Warsaw will submit to some market forces. I wish to be wrong, but once witnessing this enourmous stream of money one forfeits any doubts.

lifestyleguru 3y ago

> bring down the cost of living in cities through building more housing, Housing is not ruled by the supply and demand wizardry. Housing is subject of infinite cash from fossil fuels, oligarchs, pension funds, dynastic family fortunes, and mortgage leverage by individuals already owning real estate. You build more, more will be purchased and the prices will still grow.

zeroCalories 3y ago
You are acting schizophrenic brother
MVissers 3y ago
Do you have data for that? Occupancy is at record highs in most US cities. It’s simply too little inventory, mostly due to local regulations and NIMBY’s. Most housing is owned by ppl, and a lot of the nation’s net worth is tied up in housing, disencentivising the lowering of house pricing. You could see it duting covid in NY, people left and inventory went up. Rent and housing came down. Same now in SF, ppl leave, inventory goes up, prices come down. It’s not that complex really. Solving it will not be easy though.
cornel_io 3y ago
No, pretty much every piece of all three sentences you write is completely, utterly, and without any reservation wrong. In fact they are so ridiculously wrong and go against every piece of actual data that has ever been produced by reputable sources that unless you actually show your cards (I know that some NIMBY groups have fake and/or misleading data, which we have seen and rebutted many times before, so I really do encourage you to try if you're serious) I have to assume you're just trolling.
- lifestyleguru 3y ago
  We are absolutely talking about two different locations. I'm talking about Europe. Let me know once apartments in Zurich, Barcelona, Paris, Milan, or even Warsaw will submit to some market forces. I wish to be wrong, but once witnessing this enourmous stream of money one forfeits any doubts.