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Midihum: An ML-Based MIDI Humanizing Tool

55 points by erwald 3y ago

CrypticShift 3y ago
I mean, you are already "performing"; it's not as if it is computer-generated (or drawn with the mouse), so it should already be "humanized." I believe the real issue lies with subpar MIDI keyboards that lack sufficient responsiveness. This is rarely a problem for me with guitars, where I can always dial in velocities with exactly the precision I have in mind (and I'm an amateur). FYI Another way MIDI is humanized in DAWs is in the temporal domain (i.e., rhythm/timing). This was popularized by Ableton's Groove Pool [1]. [1] https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/using-grooves/ https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/using-grooves/
- BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
  Why couldn’t you use this on drawn in midi data? I figured that was the point.
  - erwald 3y ago
    Yes, that is indeed the main use case.
  - lancesells 3y ago
    That's what I assumed this was for as well. Take a composition from something like Hookpad and run it through this before importing into a DAW.
- adzm 3y ago
  Groove is such an amazing feature in Ableton. It's so surprising how much just slight adjustments to the rhythm can make something feel laid back.
- cammikebrown 3y ago
  It’s a lot easier for me to play with proper dynamics on an actual piano versus a keyboard. Maybe if it’s an extremely fancy weighted one, it’d be okay, but I generally don’t have access to one of those.
- steve1977 3y ago
  > This was popularized by Ableton's Groove Pool This was a feature in Cubase on Atari years before Ableton even existed. Most likely also in Logic Pro’s precursor Notator.
  - helpfulContrib 3y ago
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  - lancesells 3y ago
    In Logic Pro it's called Humanize.
  - NikkiA 3y ago
    Also 'groove pool' as a term comes from acid pro, which predates ableton (and has always been able to extract groove timing from audio as well as midi)
a-dub 3y ago
cool! might be able to improve substantially with low effort using a simple approach to capturing dynamics like adding a few lags of the existing features.
DrSiemer 3y ago
A before and after demo would help. I don't even have time to actually make music anymore, I'm not going through the trouble of installing this and then finding or creating a suitable midi file just to test it.
- brudgers 3y ago
  Why not use an existing file? https://archive.org/details/themagicofmidiv1 https://archive.org/details/themagicofmidiv1
  - DrSiemer 3y ago
    Because I assume this works on single track compositions and not full compositions, which would increase the time I'd need to spend finding a suitable midi file. I did check if one was included in the repository, but there isn't. If you work on something for 5 years, adding a quick demo isn't too much to ask for, is it? I'm sure I'm not the only one who has negative time to spare.
    - brudgers 3y ago
      For me, the less I winge the more time I have to just try things out. YMMV.
      - DrSiemer 3y ago
        Ad hominem is not a great way to reply to valid criticism on something that is easy to fix and greatly affects the potential reach of a project like this.
        brudgers 3y ago
        https://github.com/erwald/midihum https://github.com/erwald/midihum Have at it.
palemoonale 3y ago
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- BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
  Okay palemoonale
cmiller1 3y ago
> Using midihum is easy. First clone the repository, navigate to the midihum/ directory, and install dependencies: > pip install -r requirements.txt Why not just upload it to pypi so you can do all this with one pip command?

55 points by erwald 3y ago

I mean, you are already "performing"; it's not as if it is computer-generated (or drawn with the mouse), so it should already be "humanized." I believe the real issue lies with subpar MIDI keyboards that lack sufficient responsiveness. This is rarely a problem for me with guitars, where I can always dial in velocities with exactly the precision I have in mind (and I'm an amateur). FYI Another way MIDI is humanized in DAWs is in the temporal domain (i.e., rhythm/timing). This was popularized by Ableton's Groove Pool [1]. [1] https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/using-grooves/ https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/using-grooves/

BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
Why couldn’t you use this on drawn in midi data? I figured that was the point.
- erwald 3y ago
  Yes, that is indeed the main use case.
- lancesells 3y ago
  That's what I assumed this was for as well. Take a composition from something like Hookpad and run it through this before importing into a DAW.
adzm 3y ago
Groove is such an amazing feature in Ableton. It's so surprising how much just slight adjustments to the rhythm can make something feel laid back.
cammikebrown 3y ago
It’s a lot easier for me to play with proper dynamics on an actual piano versus a keyboard. Maybe if it’s an extremely fancy weighted one, it’d be okay, but I generally don’t have access to one of those.
steve1977 3y ago
> This was popularized by Ableton's Groove Pool This was a feature in Cubase on Atari years before Ableton even existed. Most likely also in Logic Pro’s precursor Notator.
- helpfulContrib 3y ago
  [dead]
- lancesells 3y ago
  In Logic Pro it's called Humanize.
- NikkiA 3y ago
  Also 'groove pool' as a term comes from acid pro, which predates ableton (and has always been able to extract groove timing from audio as well as midi)

a-dub 3y ago

cool! might be able to improve substantially with low effort using a simple approach to capturing dynamics like adding a few lags of the existing features.

DrSiemer 3y ago

A before and after demo would help. I don't even have time to actually make music anymore, I'm not going through the trouble of installing this and then finding or creating a suitable midi file just to test it.

brudgers 3y ago
Why not use an existing file? https://archive.org/details/themagicofmidiv1 https://archive.org/details/themagicofmidiv1
- DrSiemer 3y ago
  Because I assume this works on single track compositions and not full compositions, which would increase the time I'd need to spend finding a suitable midi file. I did check if one was included in the repository, but there isn't. If you work on something for 5 years, adding a quick demo isn't too much to ask for, is it? I'm sure I'm not the only one who has negative time to spare.
  - brudgers 3y ago
    For me, the less I winge the more time I have to just try things out. YMMV.
    - DrSiemer 3y ago
      Ad hominem is not a great way to reply to valid criticism on something that is easy to fix and greatly affects the potential reach of a project like this.
      - brudgers 3y ago
        https://github.com/erwald/midihum https://github.com/erwald/midihum Have at it.

palemoonale 3y ago

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BriggyDwiggs42 3y ago
Okay palemoonale

cmiller1 3y ago

> Using midihum is easy. First clone the repository, navigate to the midihum/ directory, and install dependencies: > pip install -r requirements.txt Why not just upload it to pypi so you can do all this with one pip command?