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What European companies offer $200k+ salaries (which is about 60%-70% of a senior eng salary)? PS - US developers get all of those benefits too, so you're just
by drstewart 3y ago
What European companies offer $200k+ salaries (which is about 60%-70% of a senior eng salary)?
PS - US developers get all of those benefits too, so you're just taking a pay cut for no reason. Not so attractive to me.
- lifestyleguru 3y ago> What European companies offer $200k+ salaries erm... none? the "sky high" threshold in major EU cities is 100k EUR. Zalando and SAP mentioned by OP might pay above 100k but only in Munich or Frankfurt am Main.
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- dgellow 3y agoThey do pay above 100k€ in Berlin for talents.
- mathverse 3y agoYes but then I would need to live in Berlin (shakes uncontrollably).
- lifestyleguru 3y agoMust be surreal experience earning 100k EUR and living in aparthotel for years.
- dgellow 3y agoBerlin apartments are pretty high and large. The aparthotel experience with very high income is something I’ve seen in NYC, not really in Germany. Edit: though I wouldn’t trade our current Hamburg flat, 2 floors, balcony, office room, for below 1300€/month, difficult to leave such a place!
- lifestyleguru 3y agoYeah there is always this one smart person with very old rental contract. Let me quickly travel in time a grab something in Berlin for EUR 600. Good luck next time you'll end up scanning the apartment listings.
- dgellow 3y agoIt’s not an old contract, only 2 years old at this point, it’s cheap thanks to a Genossenschaft. Buy yes we’ve been lucky, I would be glad to see more people benefiting from Genossenschaft, it’s a fantastic system. Edit: I moved 5 times since 2015, across 3 countries, I know how horrible and difficult it is to find flats, even more in a place where you’re not speaking the language or know the culture. I never pretended it was simple. I’ve been refused flats for absurd reasons such as because of my foreign last name (like, explicitly), or because I was working remotely before it was considered acceptable.
- lifestyleguru 3y agoLast time I was looking for a rental in Berlin the norm was to be ghosted after submitting paper portfolio with full professional, financial, and credit info.
- dgellow 3y agoYeah, it’s a real pain. Lots of application to send, lots of visiting all across the city, lots of printed form to fill over and over again with the same info you already sent. We had the same experience in Hamburg the first and second times, you first need to find something temporary just to be able to visit places, then spend weeks going through the whole process. Did you have a better experience in Munich or Frankfurt? From what I heard Munich is also its own mess when looking for flats. No idea about Frankfurt (I just visited once and loved the place but don’t know people living there).
- dgellow 3y agoI see this as a plus personally, it’s a wonderful place, I loved my time there
- oblio 3y agoSalaries or total compensation? As a senior SDE you can definitely make 150-180k TC in multiple European cities for FAANG, even outside of Switzerland.
- lifestyleguru 3y agoThere doesn't exist stock options or vesting share programs at companies listed on European stock exchanges. I gave up even asking at some point.
- ThePhysicist 3y agoSee above, the biggest tech companies are competing for talent globally so they match offers with a discounting factor of 40-30 %, if you're a good candidate. Sure if the US is your thing I guess it makes sense to live there, for me quality of life in western Europe seems just way better, probably just because I'm used to the way things are here (walkable, safe cities, great public transportation, dozens of beautiful destinations within 4-8 hour driving or 2-3 hour flight duration, great food quality, ...). Also family ties and friends, seems not great to permanently move halfway across the world without good reason. I've spent significant time in the US and I enjoy it, just wouldn't want to live there permanently even if earning twice as much. Money isn't everything, at least for me. Everyone's different.
- YetAnotherNick 3y agoSure if Europe is your thing, you should live there. Just don't make specific claims which are not true. Europeans earn lower than 40% for the senior positions. e.g see google salaries[1]. Google pays good but is not the top of the league. Send me a page in Europe with 60% of those salaries. [1]: https://www.levels.fyi/companies/google/salaries/software-engineering-manager https://www.levels.fyi/companies/google/salaries/software-en...
- ThePhysicist 3y agoI know plenty of people that were recruited e.g. from AWS, Google etc. to come back to Europe, the big companies here don't match the salaries 100 % but 60-70 % is not unusual, otherwise it would be hard to convince people to come back. Sure if you're a run-of-the-mill university graduate with no particularly valuable skill set you won't be able to pull that off, but if I remember correctly in the US it's also not guaranteed to get into these companies. So not sure what's not true, do you want to say you believe there's no single software development manager or principal engineer at SAP, BMW or Zalando that earns in the range of 200-250 T€ including stock options? People don't share their salaries here on US platforms as much as in there so the data in levels.fyi is not very useful, but there's e.g. DATEV which has more detailed salary data (as they provide the tax software for most companies) which you can get access to, that shows a strong bimodal distribution with "regular" salaries and salaries for "exceptional" employees.