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You actually don't. Many cars do not have either. In a car that weighs 2700 lbs wet they're not much more than luxuries.

mulmen 3y ago
Please name a mass produced passenger car sold in North America in the last 30 years that doesn’t have power brakes. There aren’t “many” cars that fit that constraint and I’d be shocked if there are any at all. There might be a handful that don’t have power steering but even that’s going to be extremely uncommon. Does your Subaru have a steering lock? A quick search suggests it does. So you better hope you don’t hit a bump with the ignition off.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  A car doesn't have to have been made in the last 30 years, that's arbitrary. Many cars and trucks from the 70s had manual steering and brakes, Ford F series, Jeep CJs, etc. My technique is to power cycle the car just long enough to reset the radio. Also, the steering lock is easily unlocked quickly using the key, it's not as if I take the key out of the ignition and throw it out the window. There are also 2 positions on my ignition, like most cars. You can turn off the engine while keeping the accessory power on. That matters in my case because my car has fully electric power steering. Many "hyper milers" do things like this. There is a almost 10 mile long section of I-70 that is a famous grade. You can coast the whole way down. I used to coast down the whole thing in my civic, others do too. Really any car that can be flat towed can be safely driven with the ignition off. You see people doing this all the time, towing a car with a tow strap and a person operating the steering and brakes in the under tow car.
  - mulmen 3y ago
    The 1970s were 50 years ago. What are you even saying? Just stop doing this insanely dangerous thing. You’re endangering everyone around you. Just stop.

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You actually don't. Many cars do not have either. In a car that weighs 2700 lbs wet they're not much more than luxuries.

by iancmceachern 3y ago

mulmen 3y ago
Please name a mass produced passenger car sold in North America in the last 30 years that doesn’t have power brakes. There aren’t “many” cars that fit that constraint and I’d be shocked if there are any at all. There might be a handful that don’t have power steering but even that’s going to be extremely uncommon. Does your Subaru have a steering lock? A quick search suggests it does. So you better hope you don’t hit a bump with the ignition off.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  A car doesn't have to have been made in the last 30 years, that's arbitrary. Many cars and trucks from the 70s had manual steering and brakes, Ford F series, Jeep CJs, etc. My technique is to power cycle the car just long enough to reset the radio. Also, the steering lock is easily unlocked quickly using the key, it's not as if I take the key out of the ignition and throw it out the window. There are also 2 positions on my ignition, like most cars. You can turn off the engine while keeping the accessory power on. That matters in my case because my car has fully electric power steering. Many "hyper milers" do things like this. There is a almost 10 mile long section of I-70 that is a famous grade. You can coast the whole way down. I used to coast down the whole thing in my civic, others do too. Really any car that can be flat towed can be safely driven with the ignition off. You see people doing this all the time, towing a car with a tow strap and a person operating the steering and brakes in the under tow car.
  - mulmen 3y ago
    The 1970s were 50 years ago. What are you even saying? Just stop doing this insanely dangerous thing. You’re endangering everyone around you. Just stop.