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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magician's_Nephew#J._R._R._Tolkien https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magician's_Nephew#J._R._R.... > The creation of Narnia m

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magician's_Nephew#J._R._R._Tolkien https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magician's_Nephew#J._R._R.... > The creation of Narnia may also have been influenced by his close friend J. R. R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion, which also contains a creation scene driven by the effect of music.[37]

wolverine876 3y ago
Assuming that's true, I very much doubt Tolkien was the first to do it.
andrewflnr 3y ago
Having read both, that's the closest link I can think of, and it's a very tenuous similarity on which to base the accusation of Lewis having "ripped off" Tolkien. That's only the biggest, most obvious unnecessary dig in the piece, coming from an author who doesn't even know how to spell "Tumnus". She's right about the headline, but you can stop reading there.
- eesmith 3y ago
  You are right. The Wikipedia source material is even more tenuous than the Wikipedia text, saying only: > The creation of Narnia, of course, draws heavily on the book of Genesis. Perhaps it is also colored by Tolkien’s creation account in The Silmarillion, where the world is brought into being by a symphony of song. https://archive.org/details/intowardrobecsle00down/page/58/mode/2up?q=Silmarillion https://archive.org/details/intowardrobecsle00down/page/58/m... That speculative side-note doesn't seem appropriate for Wikipedia, and in the talk you see "Oh yeah, is it encyclopaedic to observe that similarities with Tolkien's creation myth will be because they both used the same source material for ideas?"
- wolverine876 3y ago
  Also, maybe Tolkien ripped off Lewis. They shared many ideas with each other. Maybe they both heard it from a third person.
  - andrewflnr 3y ago
    Per your other comment, I think common influence is by far the most likely, probably some myth or other.
    - southwesterly 3y ago
      They did read their works to each other in a pub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inklings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inklings

wolverine876 3y ago

Assuming that's true, I very much doubt Tolkien was the first to do it.

andrewflnr 3y ago

Having read both, that's the closest link I can think of, and it's a very tenuous similarity on which to base the accusation of Lewis having "ripped off" Tolkien. That's only the biggest, most obvious unnecessary dig in the piece, coming from an author who doesn't even know how to spell "Tumnus". She's right about the headline, but you can stop reading there.

eesmith 3y ago
You are right. The Wikipedia source material is even more tenuous than the Wikipedia text, saying only: > The creation of Narnia, of course, draws heavily on the book of Genesis. Perhaps it is also colored by Tolkien’s creation account in The Silmarillion, where the world is brought into being by a symphony of song. https://archive.org/details/intowardrobecsle00down/page/58/mode/2up?q=Silmarillion https://archive.org/details/intowardrobecsle00down/page/58/m... That speculative side-note doesn't seem appropriate for Wikipedia, and in the talk you see "Oh yeah, is it encyclopaedic to observe that similarities with Tolkien's creation myth will be because they both used the same source material for ideas?"
wolverine876 3y ago
Also, maybe Tolkien ripped off Lewis. They shared many ideas with each other. Maybe they both heard it from a third person.
- andrewflnr 3y ago
  Per your other comment, I think common influence is by far the most likely, probably some myth or other.
  - southwesterly 3y ago
    They did read their works to each other in a pub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inklings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inklings