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No paywall: https://archive.is/lip17 https://archive.is/lip17 >A second haul started around noon—and that was it for the day. In a diesel truck, Mr. Ramos said

by sam345 3y ago

No paywall: https://archive.is/lip17 https://archive.is/lip17 >A second haul started around noon—and that was it for the day. In a diesel truck, Mr. Ramos said, he could have made six hauls. But even the second one required another visit to the charging station—33 miles out of his way, and another hour and a half of charging. A diesel semi can fuel up in 15 minutes and then drive 1,000 miles—a round trip from Los Angeles to Reno, Nev.—before needing to refuel. How is this going to work exactly? 2/3 less hauls And that's before the mandate. We had logistic issues with far less trucking problems than that.

ggm 3y ago
Batteryswap fixes this and is a great niche for trucking
- defrost 3y ago
  Weirdly hydrogen may even have a place in city to city established route bulk trucking if pilot exercises like these: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-29/planned-hydrogen-fuel-cell-freight-highway-adelaide-to-melbourne/103250276 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-29/planned-hydrogen-fuel... pan out.
defrost 3y ago
California has nowhere near enough chargers to service the number of electric semi trucks that will soon be on the road. Mr. Stanley can’t risk a truck running out of battery; getting towed only 10 miles costs $600. Class actions, or the threat of them, force California to install more chargers so that truckers can abide by the mandate as it rolls out and spreads. This is literally an article about issues faced by early adopters, not a blueprint for problems that will be locked in forever .. unless, of course, the US no longer has any ability to adapt and change.
- fargle 3y ago
  that's not how class actions or any other lawsuit works. and who do you think that hypothetical class is going to sue? when the government enacts some legislation or a new regulation that doesn't work, your recourse is to vote them out. if you are in the minority, your next recourse is to go somewhere else or quit. you can't sue edison, the port, the trucking company (etc.) for not fixing a broken mandate to your satisfaction. and you can't legislatively or via lawsuit force an industry to do something that doesn't make economic sense. they'll just quit/leave/avoid/die instead. what needs to happen is for the infrastructure and other significant problems to be solved and then it will organically slowly displace an older "worse" technology. the point to the article is that we ain't there yet.

by sam345 3y ago

ggm 3y ago

Batteryswap fixes this and is a great niche for trucking

defrost 3y ago
Weirdly hydrogen may even have a place in city to city established route bulk trucking if pilot exercises like these: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-29/planned-hydrogen-fuel-cell-freight-highway-adelaide-to-melbourne/103250276 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-29/planned-hydrogen-fuel... pan out.

defrost 3y ago

California has nowhere near enough chargers to service the number of electric semi trucks that will soon be on the road. Mr. Stanley can’t risk a truck running out of battery; getting towed only 10 miles costs $600. Class actions, or the threat of them, force California to install more chargers so that truckers can abide by the mandate as it rolls out and spreads. This is literally an article about issues faced by early adopters, not a blueprint for problems that will be locked in forever .. unless, of course, the US no longer has any ability to adapt and change.

fargle 3y ago
that's not how class actions or any other lawsuit works. and who do you think that hypothetical class is going to sue? when the government enacts some legislation or a new regulation that doesn't work, your recourse is to vote them out. if you are in the minority, your next recourse is to go somewhere else or quit. you can't sue edison, the port, the trucking company (etc.) for not fixing a broken mandate to your satisfaction. and you can't legislatively or via lawsuit force an industry to do something that doesn't make economic sense. they'll just quit/leave/avoid/die instead. what needs to happen is for the infrastructure and other significant problems to be solved and then it will organically slowly displace an older "worse" technology. the point to the article is that we ain't there yet.