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> You used your alternative education path as a reason to claim you have no obligations to society No, I'm saying that State education is not a reason for obli

> You used your alternative education path as a reason to claim you have no obligations to society No, I'm saying that State education is not a reason for obligation and FURTHERMORE I have no State education so assuming that one has State education and basing one's whole premise on something be owed to society because of it is ludicrous. And I apply that sentiment to any form of education. It matters not where the education comes from - the only thing owed is money for the educational materials and labor involved in teaching. > You can't justify an argument by claiming its truth or falsity. Assume I disagree with you, but would like to understand why I should agree with you. Sure. > Doesn't this create a huge issue if everyone decides to believe this? Not my problem. > If the world collectively stops caring about the importance of educating the next generation on the basis that they themselves got theirs? not my problem. > Where does the lack of obligation end? i.e. are you obligated not to steal, not to respect laws, etc? Correct, I am not obligated to, but if I choose to violate those things there will likely be consequences. > Obligation is a word humans made up to describe something that most cooperative animals do without the capacity to explain to themselves what it is they are doing. Ok. > Cooperative species that haven't developed language exhibit behaviors that are automatic and expected in what must be the set of traits natural selection arrived at. Humans are unique in that we've invented words to describe these social interactions. There are plenty of reasons to believe/understand that cooperation and certain principles of fairness, mutual respect, reciprocity, etc. are more adaptive for the survival of the group/species and coexistence with other groups. Ok. > It sounds like we disagree fundamentally one one key point: participation in society imparts implicit expectations on the participant. My core issue with your stance is that it is untenable if chosen by everyone, i.e. it doesn't scale. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I got nothing for you. You want to feel morally justified, go for it lol. As a free human, I'm not under any obligations.

w4ffl35 3y ago
Also, the original premise of this entire argument, OP's post: ----- "My content is mine" How much of your education and upbringing did you get for free? You were brought up and educated by society to be in the fortunate position of being a content creator. You are now suggesting that you owe nothing back to society in return. ----- This person is stating that you OWE society something back for what you were given "for free" First off, my stance: yes copyright is a monetization scheme. Good, I'm glad. That's what I'm after as a creator. 1. Education isn't free, if this person is referring to the State. I'm assuming it is an American as this discussion is about Copyright law. Taxation is theft by the government. The DOE is a waste of those stolen funds. The people attending also pay taxes. It isn't "free". 2. Even if education is free - let's say given - the person who got it for free received a gift. They are under no obligation to do anything with that gift. 3. I already stated that actions have consequences and laws have enforcers. A responsible person takes responsibility for their actions. A victim blames others. Either way, they both face the consequences of their actions (or not) with or without laws. I'm not sure how "no obligations" has translated to "no consequences" or "no responsibility" in your mind. 4. Cooperation, yes sure. Words yeah, participation yep. I never stated any of the things you're attempting to put in my mouth. This is why I don't like humans, as I stated earlier. They're manipulative without cause (or perhaps with cause in this case?). I said I'm under no obligation to anyone etc. within the context of the original comment. But yes, I'll play the game and take it deeper: I'm under no obligation period. But actions have consequences as I stated before you tried to play gotcha. 5. "If the world collectively stops caring about the importance of educating the next generation on the basis that they themselves got theirs?" Another thing I never implied or stated. I just wanted to reply again now that I have more time. I could go on but its a waste. Stop trying to gotcha me. I'm under no obligation to society to do anything. I choose to play nice because it is beneficial to me. What if everyone thought like me? Who knows, I don't fantasize about such things.

w4ffl35 3y ago

Also, the original premise of this entire argument, OP's post: ----- "My content is mine" How much of your education and upbringing did you get for free? You were brought up and educated by society to be in the fortunate position of being a content creator. You are now suggesting that you owe nothing back to society in return. ----- This person is stating that you OWE society something back for what you were given "for free" First off, my stance: yes copyright is a monetization scheme. Good, I'm glad. That's what I'm after as a creator. 1. Education isn't free, if this person is referring to the State. I'm assuming it is an American as this discussion is about Copyright law. Taxation is theft by the government. The DOE is a waste of those stolen funds. The people attending also pay taxes. It isn't "free". 2. Even if education is free - let's say given - the person who got it for free received a gift. They are under no obligation to do anything with that gift. 3. I already stated that actions have consequences and laws have enforcers. A responsible person takes responsibility for their actions. A victim blames others. Either way, they both face the consequences of their actions (or not) with or without laws. I'm not sure how "no obligations" has translated to "no consequences" or "no responsibility" in your mind. 4. Cooperation, yes sure. Words yeah, participation yep. I never stated any of the things you're attempting to put in my mouth. This is why I don't like humans, as I stated earlier. They're manipulative without cause (or perhaps with cause in this case?). I said I'm under no obligation to anyone etc. within the context of the original comment. But yes, I'll play the game and take it deeper: I'm under no obligation period. But actions have consequences as I stated before you tried to play gotcha. 5. "If the world collectively stops caring about the importance of educating the next generation on the basis that they themselves got theirs?" Another thing I never implied or stated. I just wanted to reply again now that I have more time. I could go on but its a waste. Stop trying to gotcha me. I'm under no obligation to society to do anything. I choose to play nice because it is beneficial to me. What if everyone thought like me? Who knows, I don't fantasize about such things.