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Now you don't know what you are talking about. German wholesale electricity prices are both cheaper than French and in line with the rest of Europe. For the p

Now you don't know what you are talking about. German wholesale electricity prices are both cheaper than French and in line with the rest of Europe. For the public there are quite high taxes to encourage energy efficiency, which the industry of course does not pay.

mpweiher 3y ago
OK, so you concede that retail prices in France are about half of what they are in Germany. Great. One step at a time, I guess. So you now claim that wholesale prices are cheaper, without subsidies I would presume. Do you have figures do back up those claims? Not everybody agrees with you. https://apnews.com/article/germany-economy-energy-crisis-russia-8a00eebbfab3f20c5c66b1cd85ae84ed https://apnews.com/article/germany-economy-energy-crisis-rus... "Germany risks “deindustrialization” as high energy costs and government inaction on other chronic problems threaten to send new factories and high-paying jobs elsewhere, " "...a government-funded cap on industrial electricity prices to get the economy through the renewable energy transition." I guess there may be some subsidies involved. "...It was mistaken political decisions that primarily developed and influenced these high energy costs. And it can’t now be that German industry, German workers should be stuck with the bill.” "A 2011 decision to shut down Germany’s remaining nuclear power plants has been questioned amid worries about electricity prices and shortages." "In the meantime, energy-intensive companies are looking to cope with the price shock." "“The perception of Germany’s underlying strength may also have contributed to the misguided decisions to exit nuclear energy, ban fracking for natural gas and bet on ample natural gas supplies from Russia,” he said. “Germany is paying the price for its energy policies.”" By the way, here are some cost figure: https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Vollkosten-von-Stromerzeugern-in-Deutschland-2024_3-7-1.png https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/... 3,0 €Cent/kWh Nuclear, extension 3,9 €Cent/kWh Hydro 5,3 €Cent/kWh Nuclear, new 6,1 €Cent/kWh Wind on shore 7,0 €Cent/kWh solar farm 8,4 €Cent/kWh Wind offshore 11,7 €Cent/kWh solar roof 13,9 €Cent/kWh gas + steam 17,2 €Cent/kWh biomass 17,6 €Cent/kWh coal

mpweiher 3y ago

OK, so you concede that retail prices in France are about half of what they are in Germany. Great. One step at a time, I guess. So you now claim that wholesale prices are cheaper, without subsidies I would presume. Do you have figures do back up those claims? Not everybody agrees with you. https://apnews.com/article/germany-economy-energy-crisis-russia-8a00eebbfab3f20c5c66b1cd85ae84ed https://apnews.com/article/germany-economy-energy-crisis-rus... "Germany risks “deindustrialization” as high energy costs and government inaction on other chronic problems threaten to send new factories and high-paying jobs elsewhere, " "...a government-funded cap on industrial electricity prices to get the economy through the renewable energy transition." I guess there may be some subsidies involved. "...It was mistaken political decisions that primarily developed and influenced these high energy costs. And it can’t now be that German industry, German workers should be stuck with the bill.” "A 2011 decision to shut down Germany’s remaining nuclear power plants has been questioned amid worries about electricity prices and shortages." "In the meantime, energy-intensive companies are looking to cope with the price shock." "“The perception of Germany’s underlying strength may also have contributed to the misguided decisions to exit nuclear energy, ban fracking for natural gas and bet on ample natural gas supplies from Russia,” he said. “Germany is paying the price for its energy policies.”" By the way, here are some cost figure: https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Vollkosten-von-Stromerzeugern-in-Deutschland-2024_3-7-1.png https://www.tech-for-future.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/... 3,0 €Cent/kWh Nuclear, extension 3,9 €Cent/kWh Hydro 5,3 €Cent/kWh Nuclear, new 6,1 €Cent/kWh Wind on shore 7,0 €Cent/kWh solar farm 8,4 €Cent/kWh Wind offshore 11,7 €Cent/kWh solar roof 13,9 €Cent/kWh gas + steam 17,2 €Cent/kWh biomass 17,6 €Cent/kWh coal