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What matters for the end user is the experience. If using FF will lead to a poor experience on certain websites, then why recommend it? Do people honestly beli

What matters for the end user is the experience. If using FF will lead to a poor experience on certain websites, then why recommend it? Do people honestly believe that if they keep recommending FF, people will magically switch to FF and Google will be forced to stop its anti-competitive practices?

munk-a 3y ago
Yea - because Google is just outright acting evil in a number of ways. A good example is the fact that background blur isn't supported in google meet in FF and that audio translation is similarly blocked in FF. These are just arbitrary ways that Google is degrading the FF experience because of their commanding market share.
- runarberg 3y ago
  I use Google meet with Firefox on Ubuntu. Background blur works for me, as well as auto-caption. Haven’t tried auto-translation though.
culi 3y ago
> What matters for the end user is the experience. If using FF will lead to a poor experience on certain websites, then why recommend it? Because holding that against Firefox is exactly what Google is counting on. And the more you recommend it the harder it is for Google to continue its anti-competitive practices. The more you fall a fool for Google's (or Microsoft a decade ago) practices, the worse the experience for everyone is in the future. Anyways, there's simple extensions that will sidestep Chrome's bs. In addition, you'll soon to be able to get an adblocked experience that you can only get on Firefox. That means less network traffic, faster loading websites, and better user privacy
- HankB99 3y ago
  Speaking of adblock experience with Firefox (and uBlock origin), Google has managed to slip ads into my Youtube experience. So far I can skip them after watching the first 5 seconds so it's not too bad. Before that they had a popup that would timeout after 15s (?). At that point I tried disabling uBlock on Youtube but found the ads stacked up to much longer, so the 15s delay was more acceptable. As expected, this will probably continue to be a cat and mouse game.
  - culi 3y ago
    My adblock on Firefox works seamlessly (0s downtime) and I dread the idea of having to navigate YouTube on any other browser.
Brian_K_White 3y ago
Immediately giving every bully whatever they want with no resistance is certainly one way to navigate life.
danaris 3y ago
Well, there's also the fact that Google is currently being prosecuted for antitrust violations on both sides of the Atlantic... Do you honestly believe that it's OK for Google to just keep being anti-competitive? Or that this is a completely inevitable and unfixable state of affairs? We can, should, and will hold Google accountable for its monopolistic conduct, and this is absolutely part of that.
butterfi 3y ago
If you want an experience that includes privacy violations, knock yourself out. Personally, as an end user, that is exactly what I don’t want, which is why I use Firefox
dspillett 3y ago
What good does not recommending it achieve? Maintaining the status quo which as well discussed elsewhere in these threads is hardly generally desirable? My move back to FF has been slow (as mentioned already too) but I've been recommending it to others, who don't have my self-inflicted blocker, for some time. Maybe some will stop listening if I keep mentioning it, but people online I'll never meet in person are hardly a great loss in my life. The sort of people who are going to take such issue in RealLife™ are likely those just paying me attention in exchange largely for free tech support (the matter isn't likely to come up in other contexts) and they can do one anyway too.

munk-a 3y ago

Yea - because Google is just outright acting evil in a number of ways. A good example is the fact that background blur isn't supported in google meet in FF and that audio translation is similarly blocked in FF. These are just arbitrary ways that Google is degrading the FF experience because of their commanding market share.

runarberg 3y ago
I use Google meet with Firefox on Ubuntu. Background blur works for me, as well as auto-caption. Haven’t tried auto-translation though.

culi 3y ago

> What matters for the end user is the experience. If using FF will lead to a poor experience on certain websites, then why recommend it? Because holding that against Firefox is exactly what Google is counting on. And the more you recommend it the harder it is for Google to continue its anti-competitive practices. The more you fall a fool for Google's (or Microsoft a decade ago) practices, the worse the experience for everyone is in the future. Anyways, there's simple extensions that will sidestep Chrome's bs. In addition, you'll soon to be able to get an adblocked experience that you can only get on Firefox. That means less network traffic, faster loading websites, and better user privacy

HankB99 3y ago
Speaking of adblock experience with Firefox (and uBlock origin), Google has managed to slip ads into my Youtube experience. So far I can skip them after watching the first 5 seconds so it's not too bad. Before that they had a popup that would timeout after 15s (?). At that point I tried disabling uBlock on Youtube but found the ads stacked up to much longer, so the 15s delay was more acceptable. As expected, this will probably continue to be a cat and mouse game.
- culi 3y ago
  My adblock on Firefox works seamlessly (0s downtime) and I dread the idea of having to navigate YouTube on any other browser.

Brian_K_White 3y ago

Immediately giving every bully whatever they want with no resistance is certainly one way to navigate life.

danaris 3y ago

Well, there's also the fact that Google is currently being prosecuted for antitrust violations on both sides of the Atlantic... Do you honestly believe that it's OK for Google to just keep being anti-competitive? Or that this is a completely inevitable and unfixable state of affairs? We can, should, and will hold Google accountable for its monopolistic conduct, and this is absolutely part of that.

butterfi 3y ago

If you want an experience that includes privacy violations, knock yourself out. Personally, as an end user, that is exactly what I don’t want, which is why I use Firefox

dspillett 3y ago

What good does not recommending it achieve? Maintaining the status quo which as well discussed elsewhere in these threads is hardly generally desirable? My move back to FF has been slow (as mentioned already too) but I've been recommending it to others, who don't have my self-inflicted blocker, for some time. Maybe some will stop listening if I keep mentioning it, but people online I'll never meet in person are hardly a great loss in my life. The sort of people who are going to take such issue in RealLife™ are likely those just paying me attention in exchange largely for free tech support (the matter isn't likely to come up in other contexts) and they can do one anyway too.