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> On desktop, various Firefox updates would change my settings subtly and nag me about features I had no interest in If Firefox suited my needs 100% as well as

> On desktop, various Firefox updates would change my settings subtly and nag me about features I had no interest in If Firefox suited my needs 100% as well as Safari, this is why I’d still not use it. God damn is it noisy. You’re a browser, I have no interest in engaging with you more than necessary, whatever-I-was-trying-to-do is what I care about. Please stop acting like a kid who’s not getting enough attention. It’s off-putting.

temp0826 3y ago
It's been a long time since I've had a fresh install of ff (I do recall some notification bars in the window you have to close out), but as a very longtime user, I have no idea what you're talking about...example?
- wharvle 3y ago
  They pop new tabs, little “hint” boxes, et c, all the time. It’s the kind of thing that’s easy to become blind to as a power user (but is annoying if you do notice it), but that murders UX for lots of folks.
  - temp0826 3y ago
    Unless you mean the random tabs when an extension e.g. tampermonkey gets updated and shows a change log I don't think I've seen what you mentioned. Definitely nothing "all the time".
- Semaphor 3y ago
  Been using it since quantum, it happens after some updates, recently there was some modal about some feature I didn’t care about, and I had to click twice to close it. That was only a few weeks ago.
pivo 3y ago
> God damn is it noisy What is this noise you're referring to? I'm 90% Firefox and 10% Safari and I don't understand this comment.
- mrweasel 3y ago
  I kinda do. Safari feels very much like a simplistic browser, but a damn good one, except when it's not. Firefox tried to do a lot, tons of features baked in, Safari outsources a lot to the operating system and as a result the interface and interaction becomes simpler, but less flexible. The primary reason I don't use it 100%, but 90/10 like you, is due to extensions and those few sites that doesn't work in Firefox.
  - jwells89 3y ago
    And much of the “noisiness” stems from tooltips, popups, etc explaining changes and additions. I can see where some users might want those but it should be possible to disable those entirely, or at least make them more “quiet” (e.g. a notification icon with red news count pip on the new tab screen where changes can be seen at the user's leisure).
  - pivo 3y ago
    > Safari outsources a lot to the operating system and as a result the interface and interaction becomes simpler, but less flexible. Yes, definitely agree with that. But I think of "noise" as stuff that interrupts your normal interaction with web sites and in that regard I don't think Firefox is particularly noisy. There are definitely a lot of features, settings and extensions with Firefox and while I don't use very many of them I do really appreciate the ones that I do use.
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  I know what he's talking about. Firefox has constant nag screens. I just restarted Firefox and got two separate nags[1]. I am certain that within the next week it will nag me for at least one more thing. Maybe it'll want me to try Pocket, or sign in with a Mozilla account, or set up sync, or the absolute worst offender - when I launch the browser it will say "heyyyy I gotta update and I treat this like it's 1998 so you'll need to wait, and then I'll need to restart". Firefox is VERY naggy. [1] https://imgur.com/a/dLr6E0C https://imgur.com/a/dLr6E0C
  - pivo 3y ago
unethical_ban 3y ago
Once every three months, one gets an upgrade tab showing release notes. Upon occasion (and I mean, occasion, not regularly) they may try a new feature like Sync, save for later, etc. Once I get the browser installed and running, what you describe matches 0% of my experience with it.
dvngnt_ 3y ago
chrome has to be worse. now there's that ad privacy option that you have to remember to change
echelon 3y ago
Google and Apple get to engage you frequently all the time for free. You have no choice in the matter. Every surface is theirs.
- wharvle 3y ago
  Firefox doesn’t need to get me to “engage” when I’m already in their browser.
  - echelon 3y ago
    Firefox needs to make money.
    - wharvle 3y ago
      That’s why I have to change the default search engine. Most of what they’re nagging me about won’t even make them money. It’s marketing-changelog pages nobody reads. They could save some money by keeping text change logs where people who care can find them, and dropping those altogether.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      Indeed, their CEO wants her fat paycheck.[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary-achievements_correlation_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary...
      - echelon 3y ago
        She needs to go. 100% of the money should go to engineering and (actually skilled and focused) product people.

temp0826 3y ago

It's been a long time since I've had a fresh install of ff (I do recall some notification bars in the window you have to close out), but as a very longtime user, I have no idea what you're talking about...example?

wharvle 3y ago
They pop new tabs, little “hint” boxes, et c, all the time. It’s the kind of thing that’s easy to become blind to as a power user (but is annoying if you do notice it), but that murders UX for lots of folks.
- temp0826 3y ago
  Unless you mean the random tabs when an extension e.g. tampermonkey gets updated and shows a change log I don't think I've seen what you mentioned. Definitely nothing "all the time".
Semaphor 3y ago
Been using it since quantum, it happens after some updates, recently there was some modal about some feature I didn’t care about, and I had to click twice to close it. That was only a few weeks ago.

pivo 3y ago

> God damn is it noisy What is this noise you're referring to? I'm 90% Firefox and 10% Safari and I don't understand this comment.

mrweasel 3y ago
I kinda do. Safari feels very much like a simplistic browser, but a damn good one, except when it's not. Firefox tried to do a lot, tons of features baked in, Safari outsources a lot to the operating system and as a result the interface and interaction becomes simpler, but less flexible. The primary reason I don't use it 100%, but 90/10 like you, is due to extensions and those few sites that doesn't work in Firefox.
- jwells89 3y ago
  And much of the “noisiness” stems from tooltips, popups, etc explaining changes and additions. I can see where some users might want those but it should be possible to disable those entirely, or at least make them more “quiet” (e.g. a notification icon with red news count pip on the new tab screen where changes can be seen at the user's leisure).
- pivo 3y ago
  > Safari outsources a lot to the operating system and as a result the interface and interaction becomes simpler, but less flexible. Yes, definitely agree with that. But I think of "noise" as stuff that interrupts your normal interaction with web sites and in that regard I don't think Firefox is particularly noisy. There are definitely a lot of features, settings and extensions with Firefox and while I don't use very many of them I do really appreciate the ones that I do use.
mvdtnz 3y ago
I know what he's talking about. Firefox has constant nag screens. I just restarted Firefox and got two separate nags[1]. I am certain that within the next week it will nag me for at least one more thing. Maybe it'll want me to try Pocket, or sign in with a Mozilla account, or set up sync, or the absolute worst offender - when I launch the browser it will say "heyyyy I gotta update and I treat this like it's 1998 so you'll need to wait, and then I'll need to restart". Firefox is VERY naggy. [1] https://imgur.com/a/dLr6E0C https://imgur.com/a/dLr6E0C
- pivo 3y ago

unethical_ban 3y ago

Once every three months, one gets an upgrade tab showing release notes. Upon occasion (and I mean, occasion, not regularly) they may try a new feature like Sync, save for later, etc. Once I get the browser installed and running, what you describe matches 0% of my experience with it.

dvngnt_ 3y ago

chrome has to be worse. now there's that ad privacy option that you have to remember to change

echelon 3y ago

Google and Apple get to engage you frequently all the time for free. You have no choice in the matter. Every surface is theirs.

wharvle 3y ago
Firefox doesn’t need to get me to “engage” when I’m already in their browser.
- echelon 3y ago
  Firefox needs to make money.
  - wharvle 3y ago
    That’s why I have to change the default search engine. Most of what they’re nagging me about won’t even make them money. It’s marketing-changelog pages nobody reads. They could save some money by keeping text change logs where people who care can find them, and dropping those altogether.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Indeed, their CEO wants her fat paycheck.[1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary-achievements_correlation_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary...
    - echelon 3y ago
      She needs to go. 100% of the money should go to engineering and (actually skilled and focused) product people.