4 ms·

Maybe if they don’t align with Google agenda so much, I’ll switch. What’s the ethical of switching if Mozilla is just the non-profit arm of Google?

jamesdwilson 3y ago
Are they still receiving funds from Google?
- tleilaxu 3y ago
  Around 86% of Firefox’s income is from Google, yes.
  - jamesdwilson 3y ago
    soo....yeah..
  - vinhill 3y ago
    Do you take the number from here? https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-2022-fs-final-0908.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202... 86% of revenue of Mozilla corp are royalties, which encompasses any search engine that shares revenue with Firefox, not just Google. But the remaining 14% is not only revenue generated by Firefox, but also by e.g. Pocket. So from their financial statement, it's pretty hard to say what percentage of Firefox's revenue is derived from Google.
    - hartator 3y ago
      Isn’t Google the only one?
matt123456789 3y ago
Are you talking about the payment Mozilla receives for keeping Google the default search engine on Firefox? Just change it.
ttul 3y ago
I believe Mozilla falls into a difficult non-profit grey area. Having another browser on the market isn’t as critical to humanity as providing anti-malarial medicine to millions of Africans, yet I think we can all agree that a world without any browser competition would suck for people rich enough to use a browser in the first place. It would be hard for Mozilla to attract $400M/yr of relatively strings-free cash from anyone other than Google. Google’s search dominance won’t be cured by Mozilla ending its partnership. It will only be cured by innovative competitors who discover an even better way of organizing the internet’s information (perhaps OpenAI or LLMs generally?), or by government regulation. In the meantime, I like to think of Mozilla’s siphoning of cash from Google as a good thing while we all wait for a proper long term solution that may never arrive. A similar philosophical question ought to confront us every day about many things we use without thinking, both on the internet and off.
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

jamesdwilson 3y ago

Are they still receiving funds from Google?

tleilaxu 3y ago
Around 86% of Firefox’s income is from Google, yes.
- jamesdwilson 3y ago
  soo....yeah..
- vinhill 3y ago
  Do you take the number from here? https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-2022-fs-final-0908.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-202... 86% of revenue of Mozilla corp are royalties, which encompasses any search engine that shares revenue with Firefox, not just Google. But the remaining 14% is not only revenue generated by Firefox, but also by e.g. Pocket. So from their financial statement, it's pretty hard to say what percentage of Firefox's revenue is derived from Google.
  - hartator 3y ago
    Isn’t Google the only one?

matt123456789 3y ago

Are you talking about the payment Mozilla receives for keeping Google the default search engine on Firefox? Just change it.

ttul 3y ago

I believe Mozilla falls into a difficult non-profit grey area. Having another browser on the market isn’t as critical to humanity as providing anti-malarial medicine to millions of Africans, yet I think we can all agree that a world without any browser competition would suck for people rich enough to use a browser in the first place. It would be hard for Mozilla to attract $400M/yr of relatively strings-free cash from anyone other than Google. Google’s search dominance won’t be cured by Mozilla ending its partnership. It will only be cured by innovative competitors who discover an even better way of organizing the internet’s information (perhaps OpenAI or LLMs generally?), or by government regulation. In the meantime, I like to think of Mozilla’s siphoning of cash from Google as a good thing while we all wait for a proper long term solution that may never arrive. A similar philosophical question ought to confront us every day about many things we use without thinking, both on the internet and off.

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]