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That there is a Federally funded Natural Responsible Fatherhood Clearinghouse at fatherhood.gov and not an equivalent motherhood.gov reminds me of Paul Graham's

That there is a Federally funded Natural Responsible Fatherhood Clearinghouse at fatherhood.gov and not an equivalent motherhood.gov reminds me of Paul Graham's "What You Can't Say" [0][1][2]. How much suffering could we avoid for children if we could convince more pregnant women to not smoke and drink and consume drugs? [0]: https://www.paulgraham.com/say.html https://www.paulgraham.com/say.html [1]: https://paulgraham.com/resay.html https://paulgraham.com/resay.html [2]: https://paulgraham.com/saynotes.html https://paulgraham.com/saynotes.html

addicted 3y ago
Paul Graham is obviously saying these things. The “I‘n being suppressed because I can’t say these things” articles by extremely well placed people who constantly say these things is tedious.
- mcculley 3y ago
  I think we read different essays. Graham did not complain that he was being suppressed.
lern_too_spel 3y ago
You mean like this? https://health.gov/myhealthfinder/pregnancy/doctor-and-midwife-visits/have-healthy-pregnancy https://health.gov/myhealthfinder/pregnancy/doctor-and-midwi... "Don’t smoke or drink alcohol"
- mcculley 3y ago
  It is apparently not working. Maybe it should be at motherhood.gov.
  - lern_too_spel 3y ago
    Mothers get this kind of advice during prenatal care. Fathers have fewer touch points with parenting educators.
    - mcculley 3y ago
      In my experience, many mothers are not getting any prenatal care. Many are pregnant before they know it and do not discontinue activities which will harm their child.
      - lern_too_spel 3y ago
        That's a problem. Is the solution to defund father education programs?
        mcculley 3y ago
        Absolutely not. I think we should fund a Natural Responsible Motherhood Clearinghouse and host it at motherhood.gov. But telling women to be responsible mothers is not as politically easy as telling men to be responsible fathers.
        lern_too_spel 3y ago
        > But telling women to be responsible mothers is not as politically easy as telling men to be responsible fathers. But as I said, we do that already, and far more directly as part of women's healthcare. It is not a men's health issue, so it can't be done through existing systems. The effectiveness of telling women to be responsible mothers, which you objected to earlier, does not negate the fact that we do tell them, so your political narrative does not make sense.
        LargeTomato 3y ago
        You are intentionally missing the point because you are upset about some supposed political alignment of the other commenter. In the spirit of the Paul Graham post about taboo I'm going to tell you to take a deep breath, separate logic and emotion, and do better.
        lern_too_spel 3y ago

addicted 3y ago

Paul Graham is obviously saying these things. The “I‘n being suppressed because I can’t say these things” articles by extremely well placed people who constantly say these things is tedious.

mcculley 3y ago
I think we read different essays. Graham did not complain that he was being suppressed.

lern_too_spel 3y ago

You mean like this? https://health.gov/myhealthfinder/pregnancy/doctor-and-midwife-visits/have-healthy-pregnancy https://health.gov/myhealthfinder/pregnancy/doctor-and-midwi... "Don’t smoke or drink alcohol"

mcculley 3y ago
It is apparently not working. Maybe it should be at motherhood.gov.
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  Mothers get this kind of advice during prenatal care. Fathers have fewer touch points with parenting educators.
  - mcculley 3y ago
    In my experience, many mothers are not getting any prenatal care. Many are pregnant before they know it and do not discontinue activities which will harm their child.
    - lern_too_spel 3y ago
      That's a problem. Is the solution to defund father education programs?
      - mcculley 3y ago
        Absolutely not. I think we should fund a Natural Responsible Motherhood Clearinghouse and host it at motherhood.gov. But telling women to be responsible mothers is not as politically easy as telling men to be responsible fathers.
        lern_too_spel 3y ago
        > But telling women to be responsible mothers is not as politically easy as telling men to be responsible fathers. But as I said, we do that already, and far more directly as part of women's healthcare. It is not a men's health issue, so it can't be done through existing systems. The effectiveness of telling women to be responsible mothers, which you objected to earlier, does not negate the fact that we do tell them, so your political narrative does not make sense.
        LargeTomato 3y ago
        You are intentionally missing the point because you are upset about some supposed political alignment of the other commenter. In the spirit of the Paul Graham post about taboo I'm going to tell you to take a deep breath, separate logic and emotion, and do better.
        lern_too_spel 3y ago