Fair point. I had a friend with a rear wheel drive BMW sports car. Great looking car, but he kept it in the garage in winter, after he spun out a few times on i

Fair point. I had a friend with a rear wheel drive BMW sports car. Great looking car, but he kept it in the garage in winter, after he spun out a few times on icy roads. Also the car had a hard time clearing even a modest snow fall. Can cars be made to outperform SUVs in winter driving? Probably. But I wrote in reference to the market average car vs the average suv. There's probably at least $10k price difference there. The observation I have made owning both cars and SUVs, is that the SUV is more rugged and durable, and drives better in Winter. The larger price tag, also means that the manufacturer doesn't have to skimp on every component as much, to come in under $25k. A real challenge at the bottom of the market, where the largest share of car consumers tended to be. If I was living in Hawaii, I honestly would not give a shit what kind of car I drive. I would just be happy to have a car in Hawaii. What this discussion misses is the context of how a car gets used. And that largely depends on where the car is driven.