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I watched the Smothers. How about you? Having a different opinion doesn't make you uninformed. Or didn't they teach you that in middle school? And yes, I was

I watched the Smothers. How about you? Having a different opinion doesn't make you uninformed. Or didn't they teach you that in middle school? And yes, I was wrong about Norm, although doing topical satire doesn't automatically make you "subversive." Lenny Bruce was actually subversive and got arrested and sentenced to jail for it. Richard Pryor was subversive. George Carlin was sometimes subversive.

dylan604 3y ago
I grew up watching the Smothers Brothers because my dad was a huge fan. So yeah, now what with your middle school I know you are but what am I level retort. Bill Hicks was my favorite subversive with his not just making marijuana legal but mandatory and suggesting that everyone should have at least one psychedelic experience (large unspoken asterisk stipulating of those that can). Squeegee that third eye clean!
- Applejinx 3y ago
  Doug Stanhope can be unbelievably subversive: '60 Inches Of AIDS On Any Given Sunday' behaves like the insane horniness is the joke, just ridiculously over-the-top as if the things he's saying aren't still simple observation comedy. It's overblown TO make it go down easier because it's too obviously outrageous. Subversive. Probably the best and biggest subversive ever? Eddie Murphy. He went HARD in the same manner: getting you to laugh at his extremeness when the joke is, it's actually not a joke, it's something he's observed. If he just made a case for some of the stuff he brings to your attention it wouldn't go over, but pick just the right spot to go way over the top…
Applejinx 3y ago
It's hard to say George Carlin was subversive when he was flat out aggressive with pretty much no attempt to sneak through any sort of idea that he could, instead, thwack you with. Late in his life, he went full rantsona, for instance his American Dream content. "There's a special club, and you ain't in it!" He wasn't joking, and wasn't wrong. I don't think it counts as subversive anymore when you're just going that hard. Nobody's gonna be fooled, they'll sign up or they'll peace out. To my mind, being properly subversive means getting over with the people… you can't really flip the table unless your feet are under it. Yeah, Richard Pryor was utterly subversive. He could seduce anybody with the openness of his comedy, but it meant something and the real target might not have been what it looked like it was.
- testfoobar 3y ago
  Very few comedic geniuses can tell jokes that get the whole audience to laugh, including the target and then it slowly dawns on you that you may have been the target all along - because the joke and supposed target that you laughed at revealed your own hopes, dreams, fears, prejudices, etc. And then you laugh harder.

dylan604 3y ago

I grew up watching the Smothers Brothers because my dad was a huge fan. So yeah, now what with your middle school I know you are but what am I level retort. Bill Hicks was my favorite subversive with his not just making marijuana legal but mandatory and suggesting that everyone should have at least one psychedelic experience (large unspoken asterisk stipulating of those that can). Squeegee that third eye clean!

Applejinx 3y ago
Doug Stanhope can be unbelievably subversive: '60 Inches Of AIDS On Any Given Sunday' behaves like the insane horniness is the joke, just ridiculously over-the-top as if the things he's saying aren't still simple observation comedy. It's overblown TO make it go down easier because it's too obviously outrageous. Subversive. Probably the best and biggest subversive ever? Eddie Murphy. He went HARD in the same manner: getting you to laugh at his extremeness when the joke is, it's actually not a joke, it's something he's observed. If he just made a case for some of the stuff he brings to your attention it wouldn't go over, but pick just the right spot to go way over the top…

Applejinx 3y ago

It's hard to say George Carlin was subversive when he was flat out aggressive with pretty much no attempt to sneak through any sort of idea that he could, instead, thwack you with. Late in his life, he went full rantsona, for instance his American Dream content. "There's a special club, and you ain't in it!" He wasn't joking, and wasn't wrong. I don't think it counts as subversive anymore when you're just going that hard. Nobody's gonna be fooled, they'll sign up or they'll peace out. To my mind, being properly subversive means getting over with the people… you can't really flip the table unless your feet are under it. Yeah, Richard Pryor was utterly subversive. He could seduce anybody with the openness of his comedy, but it meant something and the real target might not have been what it looked like it was.

testfoobar 3y ago
Very few comedic geniuses can tell jokes that get the whole audience to laugh, including the target and then it slowly dawns on you that you may have been the target all along - because the joke and supposed target that you laughed at revealed your own hopes, dreams, fears, prejudices, etc. And then you laugh harder.