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Emacs from Scratch Part Two

83 points by hollimolli 3y ago

evanjrowley 3y ago
Part 1 was submitted 6 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38734240 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38734240
- kleiba 3y ago
  ...in which he sets up evil-mode to get more of a vim workflow.
  - fransje26 3y ago
    In a twist worthy of a Christmas fairytale miracle, the emacs users recognised the error of their ways, and embraced the workflow their hearts had secretly always longed for: vim. Peace returned to the kingdom, RSI was defeated, they lived happily ever after and had many children.
    - trashburger 3y ago
      I don't quite see it that way. Spacemacs' motto sums it up best: "The best editor isn't Emacs or Vim, it's Emacs and Vim!" Mixing and matching the strengths of both editors results in a much better experience.
      - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
        You have to go further for ideal IMO. Evil and evil-collection integrates pretty well, but Meow integrates perfectly and uses the action visible first approach. https://github.com/meow-edit/meow https://github.com/meow-edit/meow
    - Koshkin 3y ago
      Now vim, too, can use the whole of eight megabytes and be constantly swapping!
  - brabel 3y ago
    And a whole lot of other config which most people wouldn't need. By the way, notice that use-package is now built into emacs (you don't need to install it since Emacs 29).
  - evanjrowley 3y ago
    Finally, an Emacs guide for people like me.
swah 3y ago
Purple screenshot looks great - whats the font there? edit: PragmataPro Liga
- tmtvl 3y ago
  From the first part: (use-package emacs :init (set-face-attribute 'default nil :font "PragmataPro Mono Liga" :height 160))
- pixelHD 3y ago
  In part 1[0] of this series of posts, the author mentions they use Pragmata Pro [1]. [0]: https://arne.me/articles/emacs-from-scratch-part-one-foundations https://arne.me/articles/emacs-from-scratch-part-one-foundat... [1]: https://fsd.it/shop/fonts/pragmatapro/ https://fsd.it/shop/fonts/pragmatapro/
- bloopernova 3y ago
  PragmataPro is pretty good, but if you don't want to pay for a font, then the free Iosevka font is fairly similar I think.
  - LanzVonL 3y ago
    The .ttf is a simple Google search away.
tecoholic 3y ago
Great article. I currently use Doom Emacs and this series is making me question if I really need it. The two articles have covered almost 80% of my workflow. The 3rd article might round it to 100.
blagie 3y ago
I enjoyed reading this. I'm not criticizing, but having used emacs for more than a quarter-century now, I keep things a lot more vanilla. My .emacs file is 63 lines right now. If you have emacs with vim keybindings, a purple flying toaster, and a whole bunch of custom hotkeys, if you ssh into a server, set up a new machine, or use a friends' computer, it's all very foreign. It's not in your muscle memory. Generic emacs works the same everywhere. My typical .emacs disables the flash screen, the top menu + toolbar, loads a few modes for the programming languages I currently work in, configures paths for my local machine, and has two or three minor custom scripts. That's it. I've gone through the same exercise as OP did one I first started using emacs, and I highly recommend doing the same. You learn a lot about how emacs works. Sharing it is good too. I learn a few new things each time I read one of these, and even sometimes add a line or two to my .emacs. However, not long after I did my super-custom-emacs, I upgraded machines, and was back to vanilla emacs, and I've been very happy there ever since.
- f1shy 3y ago
  I‘ve always tried to use defaults, not only in Emacs, but pretty much everthing. Unless I work 24x7 with a tool, I go away from customization, because of mentioned reasons. Also, defaults are generally not very bad, there was some thought into defining the default.
- Buttons840 3y ago
  If I'm ssh'ed into a server, I just use vim. (I am using vim keybindings in Emacs after all.)
  - rgrmrts 3y ago
    Alternatively, there’s tramp so you’re only opening the file from a remote path with emacs running locally
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  Why optimize for using someone else's computer? Do you do it that often? The rare times I do I find muscle memory comes back. If it didn't I'd enable ssh on their machine and use tramp.

83 points by hollimolli 3y ago

Part 1 was submitted 6 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38734240 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38734240

kleiba 3y ago
...in which he sets up evil-mode to get more of a vim workflow.
- fransje26 3y ago
  In a twist worthy of a Christmas fairytale miracle, the emacs users recognised the error of their ways, and embraced the workflow their hearts had secretly always longed for: vim. Peace returned to the kingdom, RSI was defeated, they lived happily ever after and had many children.
  - trashburger 3y ago
    I don't quite see it that way. Spacemacs' motto sums it up best: "The best editor isn't Emacs or Vim, it's Emacs and Vim!" Mixing and matching the strengths of both editors results in a much better experience.
    - ParetoOptimal 3y ago
      You have to go further for ideal IMO. Evil and evil-collection integrates pretty well, but Meow integrates perfectly and uses the action visible first approach. https://github.com/meow-edit/meow https://github.com/meow-edit/meow
  - Koshkin 3y ago
    Now vim, too, can use the whole of eight megabytes and be constantly swapping!
- brabel 3y ago
  And a whole lot of other config which most people wouldn't need. By the way, notice that use-package is now built into emacs (you don't need to install it since Emacs 29).
- evanjrowley 3y ago
  Finally, an Emacs guide for people like me.

swah 3y ago

Purple screenshot looks great - whats the font there? edit: PragmataPro Liga

tmtvl 3y ago
From the first part: (use-package emacs :init (set-face-attribute 'default nil :font "PragmataPro Mono Liga" :height 160))
pixelHD 3y ago
In part 1[0] of this series of posts, the author mentions they use Pragmata Pro [1]. [0]: https://arne.me/articles/emacs-from-scratch-part-one-foundations https://arne.me/articles/emacs-from-scratch-part-one-foundat... [1]: https://fsd.it/shop/fonts/pragmatapro/ https://fsd.it/shop/fonts/pragmatapro/
bloopernova 3y ago
PragmataPro is pretty good, but if you don't want to pay for a font, then the free Iosevka font is fairly similar I think.
- LanzVonL 3y ago
  The .ttf is a simple Google search away.

tecoholic 3y ago

Great article. I currently use Doom Emacs and this series is making me question if I really need it. The two articles have covered almost 80% of my workflow. The 3rd article might round it to 100.

blagie 3y ago

I enjoyed reading this. I'm not criticizing, but having used emacs for more than a quarter-century now, I keep things a lot more vanilla. My .emacs file is 63 lines right now. If you have emacs with vim keybindings, a purple flying toaster, and a whole bunch of custom hotkeys, if you ssh into a server, set up a new machine, or use a friends' computer, it's all very foreign. It's not in your muscle memory. Generic emacs works the same everywhere. My typical .emacs disables the flash screen, the top menu + toolbar, loads a few modes for the programming languages I currently work in, configures paths for my local machine, and has two or three minor custom scripts. That's it. I've gone through the same exercise as OP did one I first started using emacs, and I highly recommend doing the same. You learn a lot about how emacs works. Sharing it is good too. I learn a few new things each time I read one of these, and even sometimes add a line or two to my .emacs. However, not long after I did my super-custom-emacs, I upgraded machines, and was back to vanilla emacs, and I've been very happy there ever since.

f1shy 3y ago
I‘ve always tried to use defaults, not only in Emacs, but pretty much everthing. Unless I work 24x7 with a tool, I go away from customization, because of mentioned reasons. Also, defaults are generally not very bad, there was some thought into defining the default.
Buttons840 3y ago
If I'm ssh'ed into a server, I just use vim. (I am using vim keybindings in Emacs after all.)
- rgrmrts 3y ago
  Alternatively, there’s tramp so you’re only opening the file from a remote path with emacs running locally
ParetoOptimal 3y ago
Why optimize for using someone else's computer? Do you do it that often? The rare times I do I find muscle memory comes back. If it didn't I'd enable ssh on their machine and use tramp.