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The Zoe is not Renault's cheapest. The Twingo E-Tech starts here (Austria) at 26k.

by the_mitsuhiko 3y ago

izacus 3y ago
Ah, wasn't aware of that one.
namdnay 3y ago
From the Renault group the cheapest is the Dacia Spring, which is below 20k I think?
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Dacia Spring is still a Chinese car that's got nothing to do with the Romanian brand, it's just a rebadge to a brand the EU consumers are familiar with.
  - namdnay 3y ago
    Wow I didn’t know that! Explains why it’s so much more competitive than the rest of Renault’s lineup
  - namdnay 3y ago
    so I just checked up on this and it's not exactly true. it may be built in china, but it's a joint design, built on the CMF platform like all dacias
- slaw 3y ago
  It is below 20k in Europe and below 10k in China. https://insideevs.com/news/601060/dongfeng-nano-box-ev-dacia-spring/ https://insideevs.com/news/601060/dongfeng-nano-box-ev-dacia...
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    I saw that electric cars cost 2-se less in china, which is crazy. Are we getting ripped off?
    - csomar 3y ago
      Taxes.
      - the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
        Where are there 100% taxes on EVs?
        aziaziazi 3y ago
        Probably far from the main reason but related: EV tends to be heavier than their gasoline counterparts so the infrastructures will need to adapt in the long run. Road thickness grow by vehicleWeight^4.
avar 3y ago
The Birò is cheaper at ~15k or less, popular in The Netherlands, also used in at least the UK and Italy: https://birocars.co.uk/price-list/ https://birocars.co.uk/price-list/
- interloxia 3y ago
  It's closer to an expensive cargo bike than a cheap car. It's a segment that doesn't sense to me but I hope it does well anyway!
  - avar 3y ago
    It's fully enclosed, has 4 wheels and a steering wheel. In (some) cities it's a faster commuter than any two-seat convertible, as it can legally get away with straddling the line between a car and a bicycle. It doesn't appeal to me personally, but I regularly see it used as a city commuter in Amsterdam. The Canta is more common, but those are traditionally powered by petrol, although they've got electric options now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canta_(vehicle) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canta_(vehicle)
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    The motors have the same voltage and about the same power as my e-bike. And the range is similar too. That being said, it's probably way safer among sleepy or frustrated drivers

The Zoe is not Renault's cheapest. The Twingo E-Tech starts here (Austria) at 26k.

izacus 3y ago

Ah, wasn't aware of that one.

namdnay 3y ago

From the Renault group the cheapest is the Dacia Spring, which is below 20k I think?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Dacia Spring is still a Chinese car that's got nothing to do with the Romanian brand, it's just a rebadge to a brand the EU consumers are familiar with.
- namdnay 3y ago
  Wow I didn’t know that! Explains why it’s so much more competitive than the rest of Renault’s lineup
- namdnay 3y ago
  so I just checked up on this and it's not exactly true. it may be built in china, but it's a joint design, built on the CMF platform like all dacias
slaw 3y ago
It is below 20k in Europe and below 10k in China. https://insideevs.com/news/601060/dongfeng-nano-box-ev-dacia-spring/ https://insideevs.com/news/601060/dongfeng-nano-box-ev-dacia...
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  I saw that electric cars cost 2-se less in china, which is crazy. Are we getting ripped off?
  - csomar 3y ago
    Taxes.
    - the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
      Where are there 100% taxes on EVs?
      - aziaziazi 3y ago
        Probably far from the main reason but related: EV tends to be heavier than their gasoline counterparts so the infrastructures will need to adapt in the long run. Road thickness grow by vehicleWeight^4.

avar 3y ago

The Birò is cheaper at ~15k or less, popular in The Netherlands, also used in at least the UK and Italy: https://birocars.co.uk/price-list/ https://birocars.co.uk/price-list/

interloxia 3y ago
It's closer to an expensive cargo bike than a cheap car. It's a segment that doesn't sense to me but I hope it does well anyway!
- avar 3y ago
  It's fully enclosed, has 4 wheels and a steering wheel. In (some) cities it's a faster commuter than any two-seat convertible, as it can legally get away with straddling the line between a car and a bicycle. It doesn't appeal to me personally, but I regularly see it used as a city commuter in Amsterdam. The Canta is more common, but those are traditionally powered by petrol, although they've got electric options now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canta_(vehicle) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canta_(vehicle)
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  The motors have the same voltage and about the same power as my e-bike. And the range is similar too. That being said, it's probably way safer among sleepy or frustrated drivers