4 ms·

Aspirin has "severe (but rare) side effects", too. Many of the OTC pharmaceuticals we take have potentially nasty side effects. The only 100% safe stuff is home

by cheald 3y ago

Aspirin has "severe (but rare) side effects", too. Many of the OTC pharmaceuticals we take have potentially nasty side effects. The only 100% safe stuff is homeopathic, and that's because it's not actually chemically active. I'd be a lot more convinced by the argument if it weren't widely OTC in most of the rest of the world. Interestingly, there do seem to be long-term side effects of sildenafil/tadalafil - though they seem to be positive. There is a possible link between long-term usage of ED drugs and cognitive protections in old age: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6705107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6705107/ https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-disease-reports/adr200166 https://content.iospress.com/articles/journal-of-alzheimers-...

charleslmunger 3y ago
As for that "100% safe" homeopathic stuff... https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-confirms-elevated-levels-belladonna-certain-homeopathic-teething-products https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-conf...
dahart 3y ago
That first paper is not showing a positive long-term effect for healthy men, it’s showing some cognitive return to normal for people who have a cognitive impairment, possibly associated with their ED. It’s wrong to jump to the unsupported conclusion that it might help old people in general. On top of that, 17% of the very small sample had to bail out of the study due to excessive side-effects. It’s not useful to say other things have side effects without actually comparing magnitudes or dosage. Everything can kill you if you ingest too much. The call the FDA made is about the relative severity and danger level, and they allow lots of things OTC that have side effects. Why do you not believe that Viagra is more dangerous than Aspirin, why are you armchair second guessing that call? I’m pretty sure Aspirin is far safer than Viagra when used as directed, and that people sometimes take a lot of it because it’s a pain killer and believed to be quite safe. Two thirds of Aspirin deaths are attributed to taking high doses, where Viagra is rarely if ever taken with higher than prescribed dose because everyone knows that’s pretty dangerous.

by cheald 3y ago

charleslmunger 3y ago

As for that "100% safe" homeopathic stuff... https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-confirms-elevated-levels-belladonna-certain-homeopathic-teething-products https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-conf...

dahart 3y ago

That first paper is not showing a positive long-term effect for healthy men, it’s showing some cognitive return to normal for people who have a cognitive impairment, possibly associated with their ED. It’s wrong to jump to the unsupported conclusion that it might help old people in general. On top of that, 17% of the very small sample had to bail out of the study due to excessive side-effects. It’s not useful to say other things have side effects without actually comparing magnitudes or dosage. Everything can kill you if you ingest too much. The call the FDA made is about the relative severity and danger level, and they allow lots of things OTC that have side effects. Why do you not believe that Viagra is more dangerous than Aspirin, why are you armchair second guessing that call? I’m pretty sure Aspirin is far safer than Viagra when used as directed, and that people sometimes take a lot of it because it’s a pain killer and believed to be quite safe. Two thirds of Aspirin deaths are attributed to taking high doses, where Viagra is rarely if ever taken with higher than prescribed dose because everyone knows that’s pretty dangerous.