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At least in Europe, the industry has lobbied away the possibility of cheap cars. From 2024, "Intelligent Speed Assist" and data recorders are mandatory for new

by fh973 3y ago

At least in Europe, the industry has lobbied away the possibility of cheap cars. From 2024, "Intelligent Speed Assist" and data recorders are mandatory for new cars.

izacus 3y ago
Equipment for those costs like 500EUR. Where does the rest of 20.000+ increase of car prices come from? ;)
- fh973 3y ago
  There are still cars being sold for 15k-20k.
  - izacus 3y ago
    Yeah, those are cars from market segment that was 10-15k.
stefan_ 3y ago
You mean the cars that had GPS maps and cruise control anyway will have to take the speed limit from the GPS map and apply it to the cruise control? Horror, the cost!
- fh973 3y ago
  Cars at the lower end don't have GPS, maps or cruise control. Anyways, speed limit detection works with cameras, not with maps.
  - izacus 3y ago
    Even the most low end cars have that these days.
petre 3y ago
Chinese manufacturers are going to obliterate the EU auto industry. I saw Nio break the 1k range mark on a single battery charge the other day. That and their battery swapping stations. Now this. Meanwhile BMW is still making a diesel X5 with colorful lights for about >100k in 2023 and also a diesel series 7. The exhaust on these stinks like the one in a VW from 2004. Their electric and hybrid offerings are also a joke. Another player, Daimler, put a washing machine sized electric motor coupled onto the automatic gearbox into some of their hybrids, along with a underpowered 1.6L engine. The tumble dryer engine is powered by a 20kW battery, wasting juice as drag and heat in the gearbox. They had the gearboxes lying around from start/stop ICEs and found a use for them: dumping them onto an unsuspecting public. That is their idea of a hybrid. Of course it's underpowered and burns gas like there's no tomorrow the moment that you stop driving like grandma. Renault is possibly the only brand with decent offerings. Everybody laughs while Dacia Spring, another Chinese built car, is leading the EV sales this year. Dacia is the budget brand in Renault's portofolio.
- izacus 3y ago
  Audi just released a statement that they're scaling back their EV efforts to develop more ICE models because "demand isn't there". Even as a European I now think those morons need to fail.
  - petre 3y ago
    The demand is there, just not for Audis. VW is barely present in the top 9[1] with the ID4, 120k units sold compared to >1M Tesla Y+3. The rest is Chinese cars, BYD, GAC, Wuling. By volumes[2] BYD is #1, closely followed by Tesla and then a mix of German and Chinese companies with much smaller (<1/4x) market share by Q3 2023. So, what sells? Compact crossovers and sedans (C-segment) priced around €40k, with a much smaller market for compact more affordable EVs (B-segment) priced below €25k. What is Audi offering? Four beefed up SUVs (J-segment) and a sports model (S-segment). What is BMW, the top German automaker by 2023 sales offering? Three sedans (E and F-segment), a SUV (J-segment) and Minis (B-segment). Tesla and BYD are spot on, the others not so much. All the German automakers combined cannot even match Tesla volumes. 1. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electric-vehicle-sales-by-model-2023/ 2. https://www.statista.com/chart/30758/most-popular-plug-in-electric-car-brands/

by fh973 3y ago

At least in Europe, the industry has lobbied away the possibility of cheap cars. From 2024, "Intelligent Speed Assist" and data recorders are mandatory for new cars.

izacus 3y ago

Equipment for those costs like 500EUR. Where does the rest of 20.000+ increase of car prices come from? ;)

fh973 3y ago
There are still cars being sold for 15k-20k.
- izacus 3y ago
  Yeah, those are cars from market segment that was 10-15k.

stefan_ 3y ago

You mean the cars that had GPS maps and cruise control anyway will have to take the speed limit from the GPS map and apply it to the cruise control? Horror, the cost!

fh973 3y ago
Cars at the lower end don't have GPS, maps or cruise control. Anyways, speed limit detection works with cameras, not with maps.
- izacus 3y ago
  Even the most low end cars have that these days.

petre 3y ago

Chinese manufacturers are going to obliterate the EU auto industry. I saw Nio break the 1k range mark on a single battery charge the other day. That and their battery swapping stations. Now this. Meanwhile BMW is still making a diesel X5 with colorful lights for about >100k in 2023 and also a diesel series 7. The exhaust on these stinks like the one in a VW from 2004. Their electric and hybrid offerings are also a joke. Another player, Daimler, put a washing machine sized electric motor coupled onto the automatic gearbox into some of their hybrids, along with a underpowered 1.6L engine. The tumble dryer engine is powered by a 20kW battery, wasting juice as drag and heat in the gearbox. They had the gearboxes lying around from start/stop ICEs and found a use for them: dumping them onto an unsuspecting public. That is their idea of a hybrid. Of course it's underpowered and burns gas like there's no tomorrow the moment that you stop driving like grandma. Renault is possibly the only brand with decent offerings. Everybody laughs while Dacia Spring, another Chinese built car, is leading the EV sales this year. Dacia is the budget brand in Renault's portofolio.

izacus 3y ago
Audi just released a statement that they're scaling back their EV efforts to develop more ICE models because "demand isn't there". Even as a European I now think those morons need to fail.
- petre 3y ago
  The demand is there, just not for Audis. VW is barely present in the top 9[1] with the ID4, 120k units sold compared to >1M Tesla Y+3. The rest is Chinese cars, BYD, GAC, Wuling. By volumes[2] BYD is #1, closely followed by Tesla and then a mix of German and Chinese companies with much smaller (<1/4x) market share by Q3 2023. So, what sells? Compact crossovers and sedans (C-segment) priced around €40k, with a much smaller market for compact more affordable EVs (B-segment) priced below €25k. What is Audi offering? Four beefed up SUVs (J-segment) and a sports model (S-segment). What is BMW, the top German automaker by 2023 sales offering? Three sedans (E and F-segment), a SUV (J-segment) and Minis (B-segment). Tesla and BYD are spot on, the others not so much. All the German automakers combined cannot even match Tesla volumes. 1. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/electric-vehicle-sales-by-model-2023/ 2. https://www.statista.com/chart/30758/most-popular-plug-in-electric-car-brands/