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There is definitely a downward usage trend from Mozilla own stats. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-act

There is definitely a downward usage trend from Mozilla own stats. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

woodruffw 3y ago
Right; nobody is claiming that Firefox is doing well. But that downward trend is not proportionate with the claimed global downward trend; it's much smaller.
- sharps1 3y ago
  Firefox has lost over 20 million users in 2 years. Jan 3 2021 210,085,100 Jan 1 2023 193,199,300 Dec 17 2023 185,599,100
  - woodruffw 3y ago
    I can read. The point is that the number doesn't translate: 7.5 million lost users over 2023 doesn't correspond to a 0.75% decline in global browser presence. 7.5 million is a tiny fraction of that.
    - mvdtnz 3y ago
      7.5M out of 193M is 0.39%, so it's off by about a half. Hardly a "tiny fraction". Presumably the growth in internet users in the period would increase the relative decline in market share, too.
      - lupusreal 3y ago
        3.9%
      - Liquid_Fire 3y ago
        You're comparing apples to oranges. The 0.75% decline from the OP is of market share across all browsers. The figure here is a 3.9% (not 0.39%) decline in Firefox users only. This would translate to 3.9% of 3.79% = about 0.14% of market share. It's not about half but more than 5x less.
    - jeroenhd 3y ago
      It does if the global number of active browsers increased. The more people get connected to the internet, and the more of them use Chrome or Edge, the smaller Firefox' market share will be if their user numbers stay about equal.
  - ksec 3y ago
    Worth pointing out Firefox had 310 Million user in 2017. That is a lost of 100 Million user in from 2017 to 2021.
- Dma54rhs 3y ago
  There are also more and more internet users. Marketshare and active users don't necessarily go at the same dimensions.
Vinnl 3y ago
I'm not sure if we have reliable data on desktop computer usage stats, but I think a large part of the decline is also correlated with that - along with never having been able to significantly gain market share on mobile, which is responsible for an increasing share of people's time online.

There is definitely a downward usage trend from Mozilla own stats. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

woodruffw 3y ago

Right; nobody is claiming that Firefox is doing well. But that downward trend is not proportionate with the claimed global downward trend; it's much smaller.

sharps1 3y ago
Firefox has lost over 20 million users in 2 years. Jan 3 2021 210,085,100 Jan 1 2023 193,199,300 Dec 17 2023 185,599,100
- woodruffw 3y ago
  I can read. The point is that the number doesn't translate: 7.5 million lost users over 2023 doesn't correspond to a 0.75% decline in global browser presence. 7.5 million is a tiny fraction of that.
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    7.5M out of 193M is 0.39%, so it's off by about a half. Hardly a "tiny fraction". Presumably the growth in internet users in the period would increase the relative decline in market share, too.
    - lupusreal 3y ago
      3.9%
    - Liquid_Fire 3y ago
      You're comparing apples to oranges. The 0.75% decline from the OP is of market share across all browsers. The figure here is a 3.9% (not 0.39%) decline in Firefox users only. This would translate to 3.9% of 3.79% = about 0.14% of market share. It's not about half but more than 5x less.
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    It does if the global number of active browsers increased. The more people get connected to the internet, and the more of them use Chrome or Edge, the smaller Firefox' market share will be if their user numbers stay about equal.
- ksec 3y ago
  Worth pointing out Firefox had 310 Million user in 2017. That is a lost of 100 Million user in from 2017 to 2021.
Dma54rhs 3y ago
There are also more and more internet users. Marketshare and active users don't necessarily go at the same dimensions.

Vinnl 3y ago

I'm not sure if we have reliable data on desktop computer usage stats, but I think a large part of the decline is also correlated with that - along with never having been able to significantly gain market share on mobile, which is responsible for an increasing share of people's time online.