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That's a feature, not a bug. Otherwise you could find X country that is loose with citizenship requirements and get around the US' per-country limit.

by mkii 3y ago

aiisahik 3y ago
Only a feature if you believe in the per country limit. The alternative is to just score everyone based on point based system and admit the highest scorers regardless of national origin.
- mkii 3y ago
  > point based system Today if you're an illegal migrant and claim asylum, you get +inf points. If you're born in certain countries with long wait time, you get -inf points. Clearly the system today is working within your definition.
  - filoleg 3y ago
    > If you're born in certain countries with long wait time, you get -inf points. Re-read the parent comment again. They say "point-based system [...] regardless of national origin", which implies that the origin country wouldn't have any effect aka point-value (neither negative nor positive) attached to it. > if you're an illegal migrant and claim asylum, you get +inf points Bringing up the asylum visa category makes zero sense, because it was obvious from the context (both the parent comment and the entire thread) that the conversation was about a point system in the context of employment-based visas. Having a point-based system go cross-category or even used at all in most categories doesn't make sense. So no, the system you described isn't working with their definition at all.
    - mkii 3y ago
      Ok, so you want to make a system that does not include some otherwise very popular criteria to the citizens of the host nation? Because... it benefits you?
      - filoleg 3y ago
        I don’t want to make any kind of a system, in fact, I am not even sure if I am behind that point-based proposal. All I was trying to say that the point of the comment i was replying to was making a faulty statement “well, the way you explain it is already how it works under conditions XYZ” with a “those XYZ conditions you mention directly contradict the premise you are addressing.”
driverdan 3y ago
Good. There should be no limit.

That's a feature, not a bug. Otherwise you could find X country that is loose with citizenship requirements and get around the US' per-country limit.

by mkii 3y ago

That's a feature, not a bug. Otherwise you could find X country that is loose with citizenship requirements and get around the US' per-country limit.

aiisahik 3y ago

Only a feature if you believe in the per country limit. The alternative is to just score everyone based on point based system and admit the highest scorers regardless of national origin.

mkii 3y ago
> point based system Today if you're an illegal migrant and claim asylum, you get +inf points. If you're born in certain countries with long wait time, you get -inf points. Clearly the system today is working within your definition.
- filoleg 3y ago
  > If you're born in certain countries with long wait time, you get -inf points. Re-read the parent comment again. They say "point-based system [...] regardless of national origin", which implies that the origin country wouldn't have any effect aka point-value (neither negative nor positive) attached to it. > if you're an illegal migrant and claim asylum, you get +inf points Bringing up the asylum visa category makes zero sense, because it was obvious from the context (both the parent comment and the entire thread) that the conversation was about a point system in the context of employment-based visas. Having a point-based system go cross-category or even used at all in most categories doesn't make sense. So no, the system you described isn't working with their definition at all.
  - mkii 3y ago
    Ok, so you want to make a system that does not include some otherwise very popular criteria to the citizens of the host nation? Because... it benefits you?
    - filoleg 3y ago
      I don’t want to make any kind of a system, in fact, I am not even sure if I am behind that point-based proposal. All I was trying to say that the point of the comment i was replying to was making a faulty statement “well, the way you explain it is already how it works under conditions XYZ” with a “those XYZ conditions you mention directly contradict the premise you are addressing.”

driverdan 3y ago

Good. There should be no limit.