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Not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, but their mission isn't to create a browser. It's to "ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessib

by duped 3y ago

Not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, but their mission isn't to create a browser. It's to "ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all." (1) Given that Firefox has kinda lost the browser war it seems obvious that they should be focusing efforts on other things that further that mission besides dumping money into a browser a tiny slice of people want to use. (1) https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/

baal80spam 3y ago
> their mission isn't to create a browser Aaaand that's why I don't use Firefox.
- LightHugger 3y ago
  As long as you use something better, that isnt chrome. Chrome blatant spyware that scans your whole pc ever since google had the bright idea of sneaking an "antivirus" into chrome and enabling it by default. Firefox is better that chrome, but there's lots better than firefox.
  - macspoofing 3y ago
    >As long as you use something better, that isnt chrome. This is why it is critical to have a meaningful alternative. Developers and end-users are pragmatic - all things being equal they will choose privacy and openness, but not at the expense of performance and capabilities. This is why it is so perplexing seeing Mozilla just focus on everything except for the one thing that gives them relevance and is actually important.
  - sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
    What would be an example of something better that isn’t chromium based?
    - LightHugger 3y ago
      Chromium based browsers and firefox forks are the two big pillars. The comment i replied to doesnt like firefox, so i would probably suggest ungoogled chromium or brave. For non chromium based, librewolf is a clear winner for me. Waterfox is also good. Hardened firefox is also okayish but not ideal.
- outwit 3y ago
  That makes you part of the problem.
  - Levitz 3y ago
    No. It makes Mozilla part of the problem. People getting tired of Mozilla's incompetence and stopping supporting them is just a consequence of that. I use Firefox. I want to use Firefox. That Mozilla insists on pretending it's not the one single worthwhile thing they do doesn't make it easy.
freedomben 3y ago
I read that mission as definitely including a browser. What could possibly be more important at "ensur[ing] the internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all" than keeping competition and choice in browsers, which forces web technology openness and standards? We've already seen Google's web integrity moves coming, and we can no doubt expect more of that as they continue to dominate. A world with only Chromium-based browsers is one where Google can implement anything they fancy. To me the importance of that overshadows anything else Mozilla can do (that I can think of at least).
macspoofing 3y ago
>Not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, but their mission isn't to create a browser. It's to "ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all." (1) Yes .. and that is the core problem. Their relevance (and income) only comes from Firefox and its market share. But for some reason, they cannot bring themselves to acknowledge this. The income they generated from Firefox, should have been re-invested in Firefox. They should have been organized as an engineering company at the forefront of web technologies. >Given that Firefox has kinda lost the browser war it seems obvious that they should be focusing efforts on other things that further that mission besides dumping money into a browser a tiny slice of people want to use. That is their strategy. Right now, Firefox is still the only thing that gives them any sort of relevance.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
In what capacity have they delivered on that mission outside Firefox?
caskstrength 3y ago
> Given that Firefox has kinda lost the browser war it seems obvious that they should be focusing efforts on other things that further that mission besides dumping money into a browser a tiny slice of people want to use. Like what? Selling you "premium" subscription to glorified bookmarks service? Or reselling Mullvad with Mozilla logo slapped on top of it?

by duped 3y ago

baal80spam 3y ago

> their mission isn't to create a browser Aaaand that's why I don't use Firefox.

LightHugger 3y ago
As long as you use something better, that isnt chrome. Chrome blatant spyware that scans your whole pc ever since google had the bright idea of sneaking an "antivirus" into chrome and enabling it by default. Firefox is better that chrome, but there's lots better than firefox.
- macspoofing 3y ago
  >As long as you use something better, that isnt chrome. This is why it is critical to have a meaningful alternative. Developers and end-users are pragmatic - all things being equal they will choose privacy and openness, but not at the expense of performance and capabilities. This is why it is so perplexing seeing Mozilla just focus on everything except for the one thing that gives them relevance and is actually important.
- sjfjsjdjwvwvc 3y ago
  What would be an example of something better that isn’t chromium based?
  - LightHugger 3y ago
    Chromium based browsers and firefox forks are the two big pillars. The comment i replied to doesnt like firefox, so i would probably suggest ungoogled chromium or brave. For non chromium based, librewolf is a clear winner for me. Waterfox is also good. Hardened firefox is also okayish but not ideal.
outwit 3y ago
That makes you part of the problem.
- Levitz 3y ago
  No. It makes Mozilla part of the problem. People getting tired of Mozilla's incompetence and stopping supporting them is just a consequence of that. I use Firefox. I want to use Firefox. That Mozilla insists on pretending it's not the one single worthwhile thing they do doesn't make it easy.

freedomben 3y ago

I read that mission as definitely including a browser. What could possibly be more important at "ensur[ing] the internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all" than keeping competition and choice in browsers, which forces web technology openness and standards? We've already seen Google's web integrity moves coming, and we can no doubt expect more of that as they continue to dominate. A world with only Chromium-based browsers is one where Google can implement anything they fancy. To me the importance of that overshadows anything else Mozilla can do (that I can think of at least).

macspoofing 3y ago

>Not affiliated with Mozilla in any way, but their mission isn't to create a browser. It's to "ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all." (1) Yes .. and that is the core problem. Their relevance (and income) only comes from Firefox and its market share. But for some reason, they cannot bring themselves to acknowledge this. The income they generated from Firefox, should have been re-invested in Firefox. They should have been organized as an engineering company at the forefront of web technologies. >Given that Firefox has kinda lost the browser war it seems obvious that they should be focusing efforts on other things that further that mission besides dumping money into a browser a tiny slice of people want to use. That is their strategy. Right now, Firefox is still the only thing that gives them any sort of relevance.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

In what capacity have they delivered on that mission outside Firefox?

caskstrength 3y ago

> Given that Firefox has kinda lost the browser war it seems obvious that they should be focusing efforts on other things that further that mission besides dumping money into a browser a tiny slice of people want to use. Like what? Selling you "premium" subscription to glorified bookmarks service? Or reselling Mullvad with Mozilla logo slapped on top of it?