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> The US is and always has been a country of immigrants. Your idea of who is and isn't an immigrant is simply a question of what time window you choose. In 1800
by dudul 3y ago
> The US is and always has been a country of immigrants. Your idea of who is and isn't an immigrant is simply a question of what time window you choose. In 1800, the US had a population of ~2 million. by 1900 it was ~50 million. You want to guess how itt got that way?
Just because we needed and encouraged immigration 200 years ago doesn't mean we have a duty to never adjust policies based on current needs and realities. What was necessary in 1900 may not be desirable anymore. Surprisingly that's a fact that people usually have no problem applying to the 2nd ammendment, but is a big no no when it comes to immigration.
Edit to quote the specific part of the message I am reacting to.
- bee_rider 3y agoPretty much every advanced economy is seeing stagnant population growth. Integrating immigrants is one of our most important skills and we need to keep practicing it.
- dudul 3y agoDid I make any comment about the current need for immigration? I was criticizing what I thought was a very weak argument.
- bee_rider 3y agoFair enough!
- blasphemers 3y agoOr we could try and solve the issues that lead to stagnant population growth which mostly stem from lifestyle and financial choices.
- bee_rider 3y agoThe government has much more control over immigration policy than individuals’ lifestyle and financial choices. Also it seems to be a pretty widespread problem, so I’m not sure which country we should steal ideas from.
- artylerzysta 3y agoLook how integration of migrants looks like in western Europe. Worshipers of economic growth don't see all the social issues mass scale immigration brings.
- Apocryphon 3y agoWestern Europe hasn't really integrated its migrants well like North America has.
- achates 3y agoThe funny/sad thing is that western Europe didn't even get the promised economic growth.
- bluecheese452 3y agoOr we could give domestic labor stable high paying jobs like our fathers and grandfathers enjoyed and the problem fixes itself.
- kjkjadksj 3y agoMost towns in this country outside of coastal cities that do have significant immigration are hollowed out. Look at St. Louis or countless other cities satellite imagery, and tell me its somehow prudent to have every other parcel abandoned and razed as if it were bombed during a war for lack of any population growth for a half century.
- dudul 3y agoDid I make any comment about the current need for immigration? I was criticizing what I thought was a very weak argument.