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Almost no substance in the talk. Just showing scary looking videos and pictures and making a lot of extreme claims which should reasonable if you don't think ab
by huijzer 3y ago
Almost no substance in the talk. Just showing scary looking videos and pictures and making a lot of extreme claims which should reasonable if you don't think about it. For example, he says that "Google is basically useless since the generation of AI content". I can agree to saying that it has gotten less useful in the last 10 years, but "basically useless" is a stretch.
- lwhi 3y agoCome on .. do you really feel that google is the place to go to find things these days? Do you honestly feel that this statement is incorrect? Personally, I agree. Google is no longer _the_ primary method I use to find things.
- NotMichaelBay 3y agoGoogle is still the primary method I use to find things, and I'm someone who has also thoroughly integrated ChatGPT into my workflow for answers. I use Google when searching for current news or local restaurants or businesses. I use it as a sort of bookmark manager when I can't remember a domain or specific webpage I'm looking for. I use it when I really need to trust the source of information and know it isn't a hallucination. I even still use it sometimes for coding questions when I just need to remember a function name or something very short and I can get it with a simple Google search of 2 or 3 words. ChatGPT would give me the answer, but it would require a longer prompt or give me a wordier answer.
- ChatGTP 3y agoI had to move over to Kagi as I found it hopeless, so you're individual datapoint isn't enough to disprove anything. Neither is mine, so we need better data to make this call.
- NotMichaelBay 3y agoI personally use Google but I was using it to mean search engines in general, because I took the top comment to mean search engines compared to generative AI.
- ChatGTP 3y agoI see, I use Google to for some of the stuff you mentioned.
- dgellow 3y agoI pay for kagi and still use google pretty often. They are different tools, google is just one !g away.
- TibbityFlanders 3y ago[dead]
- goodmattg 3y agoJoining the nuance parade - Google expanded their entry points to Search years ago via Maps and the URL bar. Do I use Google traditional Google Search (google.com) to find things? Rarely. Do I use Google Maps to find bars / restaurants / order food? All the time. I guess the nuance is what we're trying to find. LLM's swallowed the listicle - I don't need google.com to find an autogenerated list of "best restaurants in London". But if I'm in London at at lunch, and I need a coffee nearby, it's still useful.
- bitcharmer 3y agoYup, Google is embarrassingly bad. These days I just use it as stack overflow and reddit indexer
- tails4e 3y agoThis is surprisingly accurate for 90% of my dear searches
- mock-possum 3y agoHave you tried alternatives like duck duck go? I feel like several times a week I have to go back to google because DDG is too dense to understand context, and will suggest things that just make no sense. Don’t even get me started on trying to search for NSFW content on it either. Google is still the best free search engine.
- matrix87 3y ago> do you really feel that google is the place to go to find things these days? Uhh yeah? Search isn't a trivial thing to implement and they still have the best product Maybe the results are less relevant now because of AI spam, but they'll figure this out eventually. I'd say a good compromise is just using ublock origin to filter AI spam sites out of results
- fieldcny 3y agoThey have no reason to figure it out, they are a search monopoly and ads is their business. They are stuck like Kodak, if we don’t break them up, we have a bleak future.
- matrix87 3y agoWhy are they a monopoly in this sector? What's stopping people from just switching to Bing if their product goes to shit? Doing that literally takes like two seconds
- bdhcuidbebe 3y agobecause bing is even a bigger joke, where ai spam is even built into the product
- dgellow 3y agoBing search and Bing AI thingy are different products
- fieldcny 3y agoI love your enthusiasm for how easy it is to change human behavior. The cost of starting a competitive search engine is incredibly high, and unlikely to get real funding as a) the business model would likely have to be subscription based to align users interests long term with the companies interests, this alone is probably enough to make it a pass for most VCs, b) the incumbents in this space have an immoral amount of cash to spend on either acquiring, bankrupting or destroying any meaningful competition.
- kornhole 3y agoIt is an intro to psyops. Google is an example of psyops. It is useful for finding uncontested information such as the address of a shop, but to find the truth about events in the world, you are better served elsewhere such as Yandex. I wish he would have mentioned that NATO has six arenas of operation: air, land, sea, space, cyber, and cognitive.
- id00 3y ago> you are better served elsewhere such as Yandex What an interesting example you picked considering its tight affiliation with Russian Gov and the well known record of censoring news and search results Just one of examples https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/02/01/a-window-into-yandex-s-censorship https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/02/01/a-window-into-yandex...
- kornhole 3y agoTo clarify, I do not recommend relying on any single source. Multiple sources will broaden your perspective. You can look at Google and other NATO based search engines to see the results they want or don't want you to see, and then you can look at non-NATO aligned sources to see other results.
- bdhcuidbebe 3y ago> NATO based search engines You sir are just hilarious!
- lmm 3y agoYou can't trust any search engine to tell you the truth about a country in which it operates extensively; in most cases it will have been subverted by that government. Yandex is not a good source about matters in or closely concerning Russia, but it's very useful to those of us outside Russia for finding truths that are suppressed where we are.
- Pikamander2 3y ago