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The US is by far the largest and most succesfull at psyopping, if it was another country on the top they'd probably do the same thing. Singling out some relati

The US is by far the largest and most succesfull at psyopping, if it was another country on the top they'd probably do the same thing. Singling out some relatively tiny economies as the bad guys is in itself an impressive display of the effectiveness of american propaganda. You should remember the US more or less propped up dictators through CIA left and right for decades, and it's still going on. Iran of today was because of the west trying to loot for oil : https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/20/64-years-later-cia-finally-releases-details-of-iranian-coup-iran-tehran-oil/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/20/64-years-later-cia-fina... The empire is the empire and the empire controls the narrative, and as a europeean seeing the US - the worlds largest military by far - cry about various tiny media operations coming from the wastelands they and the rest of the west has created by pillaging foreign resources is a bit laughable. Much of the south americas has been pillaged by the empire, the middle east to, the rest of the world not much less. Deaths squads, millions dead, forever wars and economic plunder but no it's some tiny russian or iranian operation we should worry about, so vote democrat, vote republican, just vote for more war! This is what many europeans thinks, though we aren't much better with our operations in say northern africa.

flir 3y ago
I'm pretty sure one of those tiny media operations managed to cut one of the EU's countries out of the herd, so they're a problem I'd like to solve, if possible. Or at least inoculate against, before it happens again.
- coldtea 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure all of EUs countries would be more democratic and sovereign "out of the herd".
  - me_me_me 3y ago
    but they would be much weaker. And weak countries are not capable of protecting democracy or sovereignty - prime example ukraine.
- MyFirstSass 3y ago
  Russia is a mafia like state, no doubt but i just mentioned hundreds of coups, deaths squads, forever wars and millions dead from western powers, eternal war machines that we are supporting. And still you'd like to focus on what Russia maybe did in some EU elections, and while i totally agree with you, the fact that it's the part you focus on just like the US media is the psyop in itself. Look over there while multiple wars are ongoing. That the endgame for that discourse is more war in itself is brilliant, all allowed public discourse should lead to more war from the west towards a myriad of evil people all around, and no one should look into the classes that benefit from those wars.
  - flir 3y ago
    I see what you're saying. My point (which definitely wasn't clear) is that "small" doesn't mean "ineffective". Equivalent Western operations are hampered because they have goals. Russia is just a chaos monkey - for example I'm sure they'd bung money to XR if they could, despite being a petrostate. Yes, it's true, I care more about Russia because they've already kicked me where it hurts once. Anyway, if there was a way to inoculate against Russian psyops, wouldn't that also solve the problems you're more concerned about?
astrange 3y ago
The US doesn't invade people for natural resources, especially oil. The US is the world's largest oil exporter. It might have in the 70s, but that was a while ago. Funny enough we don't get any of Iraq's oil, which is managed by a European company and sold to China.
- beebeepka 3y ago
  Sure thing. They reduced Iraq to rubble for democracy
  - astrange 3y ago
    Invading Iraq was very bad but it's not rubble. It's, like, still there. Deaths in the war were less than you'd think. GWB actually comes out net positive in his presidency because he started PEPFAR (AIDS prevention in Africa) which was really, really good and saved millions of lives.
    - mongol 3y ago
      With that type of accounting, a father of two can get away with murder since he has been a net positive to the world.
    - beebeepka 3y ago
      Damn it, man. I don't think I've seen worse defense in the last decade. The Iraqis must be relieved to hear that yes, their country was destroyed but the person who started it did some random good thing in Africa.
      - astrange 3y ago
        The randomness is exactly why it's so good. You'd get bad wars from other presidents, but you wouldn't have gotten PEPFAR. Gives him a good value over replacement president.
- t-3 3y ago
  The purported reason for invading Iraq wasn't to steal the oil, but to maintain the petrodollar (it's claimed that Saddam was preparing to begin trading oil in Euros).
vasco 3y ago
America changed the narrative to be the good guys. Wars are no longer result of need for exploration, previous land claims, manifest destiny or anything else. In fact wars are no longer wars, but merely establishing freedoms to the oppressed populations. Military isn't willingfully enlisting to go kill foreigners in foreign lands, they are protecting the freedom at home. Countries that are subjugated and forced to keep military bases in their borders aren't vassal states, but partners. Yet the song changes very quickly when any other country does a tiny bit of the same. I don't dislike these rulers of our times, but one should not be naive to think that it doesn't even matter what you vote for, as you say, you're just gonna be part of the same imperialist State Department roadmap.
- MyFirstSass 3y ago
  Exactly! You are describing classical academic gepolitics as explained by the most standard US military beureucrat before rampant ideological psyops took over. John Mearsheimer is a good example of this line of thought but he's somehow a radical these days. The US is fighting bloody wars for resources and control like a big game of RISK, that's how historical empire has always worked and most knew this decades ago, but now theres layers and layers of bullshit on top. Just admit it, we live a very wealthy life partly because we've plundered the world, not because we've protected ourselves from the bad guys and became uniquely enlightened in a world of savages, that's the winners writing the history, another historical trope that has been memoryholed.
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    With that defeatist attitude might as well have the USSR run the world at the end of the cold war.
    - kossTKR 3y ago
      Wars are horrible and they're almost always done for geopolitical power or resources, not to protect enlightened democracy or whatever.
RandomLensman 3y ago
Can't be very successful if people endlessly rant against the US.
- kossTKR 3y ago
  Oh those annoying endless rants, not the millions dead in wars, those who ended their lives by death squads because they wanted their own resources, they aren't that important, but those pesky rants! There's been no stop to the US war machine, they're 100% succesfull.
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    Wars are terrible. But again, this was about psy-oping the US actions, which as your post shows isn't terribly effective.
- latency-guy2 3y ago
  Some people just hate to hate. A lot of the world does like the US, some even go as far to exclaim love, and rightfully so. I've had former close friends attempt to sabotage me in my early career as well, for a multitude of reasons, but the most apparent to me was jealousy. How much of the world do you think operates in a similar way? I would bet a very significant portion does, maybe even a majority if I were at my most cynical years.

flir 3y ago

I'm pretty sure one of those tiny media operations managed to cut one of the EU's countries out of the herd, so they're a problem I'd like to solve, if possible. Or at least inoculate against, before it happens again.

coldtea 3y ago
I'm pretty sure all of EUs countries would be more democratic and sovereign "out of the herd".
- me_me_me 3y ago
  but they would be much weaker. And weak countries are not capable of protecting democracy or sovereignty - prime example ukraine.
MyFirstSass 3y ago
Russia is a mafia like state, no doubt but i just mentioned hundreds of coups, deaths squads, forever wars and millions dead from western powers, eternal war machines that we are supporting. And still you'd like to focus on what Russia maybe did in some EU elections, and while i totally agree with you, the fact that it's the part you focus on just like the US media is the psyop in itself. Look over there while multiple wars are ongoing. That the endgame for that discourse is more war in itself is brilliant, all allowed public discourse should lead to more war from the west towards a myriad of evil people all around, and no one should look into the classes that benefit from those wars.
- flir 3y ago
  I see what you're saying. My point (which definitely wasn't clear) is that "small" doesn't mean "ineffective". Equivalent Western operations are hampered because they have goals. Russia is just a chaos monkey - for example I'm sure they'd bung money to XR if they could, despite being a petrostate. Yes, it's true, I care more about Russia because they've already kicked me where it hurts once. Anyway, if there was a way to inoculate against Russian psyops, wouldn't that also solve the problems you're more concerned about?

astrange 3y ago

The US doesn't invade people for natural resources, especially oil. The US is the world's largest oil exporter. It might have in the 70s, but that was a while ago. Funny enough we don't get any of Iraq's oil, which is managed by a European company and sold to China.

beebeepka 3y ago
Sure thing. They reduced Iraq to rubble for democracy
- astrange 3y ago
  Invading Iraq was very bad but it's not rubble. It's, like, still there. Deaths in the war were less than you'd think. GWB actually comes out net positive in his presidency because he started PEPFAR (AIDS prevention in Africa) which was really, really good and saved millions of lives.
  - mongol 3y ago
    With that type of accounting, a father of two can get away with murder since he has been a net positive to the world.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    Damn it, man. I don't think I've seen worse defense in the last decade. The Iraqis must be relieved to hear that yes, their country was destroyed but the person who started it did some random good thing in Africa.
    - astrange 3y ago
      The randomness is exactly why it's so good. You'd get bad wars from other presidents, but you wouldn't have gotten PEPFAR. Gives him a good value over replacement president.
t-3 3y ago
The purported reason for invading Iraq wasn't to steal the oil, but to maintain the petrodollar (it's claimed that Saddam was preparing to begin trading oil in Euros).

vasco 3y ago

America changed the narrative to be the good guys. Wars are no longer result of need for exploration, previous land claims, manifest destiny or anything else. In fact wars are no longer wars, but merely establishing freedoms to the oppressed populations. Military isn't willingfully enlisting to go kill foreigners in foreign lands, they are protecting the freedom at home. Countries that are subjugated and forced to keep military bases in their borders aren't vassal states, but partners. Yet the song changes very quickly when any other country does a tiny bit of the same. I don't dislike these rulers of our times, but one should not be naive to think that it doesn't even matter what you vote for, as you say, you're just gonna be part of the same imperialist State Department roadmap.

MyFirstSass 3y ago
Exactly! You are describing classical academic gepolitics as explained by the most standard US military beureucrat before rampant ideological psyops took over. John Mearsheimer is a good example of this line of thought but he's somehow a radical these days. The US is fighting bloody wars for resources and control like a big game of RISK, that's how historical empire has always worked and most knew this decades ago, but now theres layers and layers of bullshit on top. Just admit it, we live a very wealthy life partly because we've plundered the world, not because we've protected ourselves from the bad guys and became uniquely enlightened in a world of savages, that's the winners writing the history, another historical trope that has been memoryholed.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  With that defeatist attitude might as well have the USSR run the world at the end of the cold war.
  - kossTKR 3y ago
    Wars are horrible and they're almost always done for geopolitical power or resources, not to protect enlightened democracy or whatever.

RandomLensman 3y ago

Can't be very successful if people endlessly rant against the US.

kossTKR 3y ago
Oh those annoying endless rants, not the millions dead in wars, those who ended their lives by death squads because they wanted their own resources, they aren't that important, but those pesky rants! There's been no stop to the US war machine, they're 100% succesfull.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  Wars are terrible. But again, this was about psy-oping the US actions, which as your post shows isn't terribly effective.
latency-guy2 3y ago
Some people just hate to hate. A lot of the world does like the US, some even go as far to exclaim love, and rightfully so. I've had former close friends attempt to sabotage me in my early career as well, for a multitude of reasons, but the most apparent to me was jealousy. How much of the world do you think operates in a similar way? I would bet a very significant portion does, maybe even a majority if I were at my most cynical years.