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A boogie man is something that isn’t real. Russian disinformation warfare is very much real, no matter if it is a Lithuanian workman or the head of the CIA tal

A boogie man is something that isn’t real. Russian disinformation warfare is very much real, no matter if it is a Lithuanian workman or the head of the CIA talking about it. The head of the CIA might have ulterior motives but it is silly to dismiss the facts though.

jampekka 3y ago
There's probably a very equivalent story that a lot of Russians believe in.
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Well, it certainly isn’t “equivalent” given that the Russian version of the story/belief isn’t created and maintained in the open air of a free information environment. In the US, you’re welcome to (and people actually do) contradict “official narratives” whenever you want.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    they just get downvoted instead of jumping out of the window
- benterix 3y ago
  I read Russian forums and these people are more sober than you may think. They are fed up with Putin and with what is happening to Russia now. It's not so much that they care about Ukrainians but more about the terrible direction the country is heading. For many, it's the return of the dark era of the collapse of the USSR, they don't see any bright light on the horizon.
  - Applejinx 3y ago
    This is because chaos warfare and the attempts to just straight up reestablish an old school empire, are bad in the context of modern global commerce. I think it might have worked better for them had Putin run his country along more communist lines, but instead he held power in his government with the same chaos warfare tools he used overseas, and the cost of that is that he's clung to power unto death, but all the systems that are supposed to make Russia work, disintegrated.
- _w1tm 3y ago
  I’m sure there is yet it’s not NATO troops trying to occupy land in Eastern Europe. When one party openly behaves like a villain then they most likely are one. You can blab about the US invasion of Afghanistan but the US didn’t go in to setup a totalitarian kleptocracy that replaces their culture with another.
  - networkchad 3y ago
    [dead]
  - saiya-jin 3y ago
    Noy sure if you are joking or not, but US definitely installed cleptocrats, if you ever actually cared about say afghan local news. Generals switching sides for money, while investing in massive real estate projects around big cities. They may be local but in society like afghan one that can have various meaning too since there are many distinct clans who often openly fight each other. Ie British previously loved in their colonies to give power to some minority to focus hatred within locals and keep eyes from their exploitation business. Quite a few of that caused some recent conflicts in Africa.
  - acqq 3y ago
    Afghanistan opium cultivation in 2023 declined to one in 20 compared to earlier (95% less), following drug ban by those who are now in power (official United Nations statistics): https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/press/releases/2023/November/afghanistan-opium-cultivation-in-2023-declined-95-per-cent-following-drug-ban_-new-unodc-survey.html https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/press/releases/2023/November/... You know when the opium production numbers started to rise, in earlier times (according to the same statistics)? 2004. Correlates with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80...
- BLKNSLVR 3y ago
  There can be, because there are, multiple real boogeymen.
beebeepka 3y ago
Everyone is engaged in propaganda. I called this guy out because he only named the usual "bad guys". You don't have to talk to me like I am 12 but since you insist, i am going to repeat it: everyone is doing it. That said, the ones doing it the most are those with most resources. So, the US and us vassals working for our "partners" across the Atlantic.
- Swenrekcah 3y ago
  I didn’t intend to be demeaning so apologies if you felt that way. The thing is that your comment felt to me a bit like a somewhat common dismissal of real and corrosive problems facing democracy these days. Like for instance now you say that “everyone is doing it” but what is “it” there? Because not everyone is actually spreading disinformation about everything. People, corporations and governments have agendas of course but how they go about things really matters. There is a clear difference between the ways and behaviour of western democracies on the one hand and Russia and China on the other hand. I know in which places I do and don’t want to live for instance.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    Oh, I do agree there are significant differences between the ways countries conduct themselves. It's just that i do hold the EU and the US to higher standards because that's what they have been promoting. False advertising is a very serious offence in my book. Wouldn't move to Russia unless they change course.

jampekka 3y ago

There's probably a very equivalent story that a lot of Russians believe in.

ethanbond 3y ago
Well, it certainly isn’t “equivalent” given that the Russian version of the story/belief isn’t created and maintained in the open air of a free information environment. In the US, you’re welcome to (and people actually do) contradict “official narratives” whenever you want.
- beebeepka 3y ago
  they just get downvoted instead of jumping out of the window
benterix 3y ago
I read Russian forums and these people are more sober than you may think. They are fed up with Putin and with what is happening to Russia now. It's not so much that they care about Ukrainians but more about the terrible direction the country is heading. For many, it's the return of the dark era of the collapse of the USSR, they don't see any bright light on the horizon.
- Applejinx 3y ago
  This is because chaos warfare and the attempts to just straight up reestablish an old school empire, are bad in the context of modern global commerce. I think it might have worked better for them had Putin run his country along more communist lines, but instead he held power in his government with the same chaos warfare tools he used overseas, and the cost of that is that he's clung to power unto death, but all the systems that are supposed to make Russia work, disintegrated.
_w1tm 3y ago
I’m sure there is yet it’s not NATO troops trying to occupy land in Eastern Europe. When one party openly behaves like a villain then they most likely are one. You can blab about the US invasion of Afghanistan but the US didn’t go in to setup a totalitarian kleptocracy that replaces their culture with another.
- networkchad 3y ago
  [dead]
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  Noy sure if you are joking or not, but US definitely installed cleptocrats, if you ever actually cared about say afghan local news. Generals switching sides for money, while investing in massive real estate projects around big cities. They may be local but in society like afghan one that can have various meaning too since there are many distinct clans who often openly fight each other. Ie British previously loved in their colonies to give power to some minority to focus hatred within locals and keep eyes from their exploitation business. Quite a few of that caused some recent conflicts in Africa.
- acqq 3y ago
  Afghanistan opium cultivation in 2023 declined to one in 20 compared to earlier (95% less), following drug ban by those who are now in power (official United Nations statistics): https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/press/releases/2023/November/afghanistan-opium-cultivation-in-2023-declined-95-per-cent-following-drug-ban_-new-unodc-survey.html https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/press/releases/2023/November/... You know when the opium production numbers started to rise, in earlier times (according to the same statistics)? 2004. Correlates with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80...
BLKNSLVR 3y ago
There can be, because there are, multiple real boogeymen.

beebeepka 3y ago

Everyone is engaged in propaganda. I called this guy out because he only named the usual "bad guys". You don't have to talk to me like I am 12 but since you insist, i am going to repeat it: everyone is doing it. That said, the ones doing it the most are those with most resources. So, the US and us vassals working for our "partners" across the Atlantic.

Swenrekcah 3y ago
I didn’t intend to be demeaning so apologies if you felt that way. The thing is that your comment felt to me a bit like a somewhat common dismissal of real and corrosive problems facing democracy these days. Like for instance now you say that “everyone is doing it” but what is “it” there? Because not everyone is actually spreading disinformation about everything. People, corporations and governments have agendas of course but how they go about things really matters. There is a clear difference between the ways and behaviour of western democracies on the one hand and Russia and China on the other hand. I know in which places I do and don’t want to live for instance.
- beebeepka 3y ago
  Oh, I do agree there are significant differences between the ways countries conduct themselves. It's just that i do hold the EU and the US to higher standards because that's what they have been promoting. False advertising is a very serious offence in my book. Wouldn't move to Russia unless they change course.