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Is this mira of a U.S. centric problem? I selfhost my mail in Germany, have one at a smaller mail provider and never had problems. It is also not uncommon for

by V__ 3y ago

Is this mira of a U.S. centric problem? I selfhost my mail in Germany, have one at a smaller mail provider and never had problems. It is also not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server or use the mail service at their hosting provider. If everything is configured correctly, delivery works fine.

psd1 3y ago
Your experience may not be typical. I ran mail servers before office 365 was a thing, and I often had to get off block lists. There are stories on HN about it being worse, now that you have to request unblocking from MS and Google. Yours is the first comment that doesn't complain.
- layer8 3y ago
  Nah, I have the same experience as the GP, and in every HN thread about email self-hosting, there are a number of comments along the lines of “I’ve been self-hosting my email for 10-20 years and never had any problems”. My SME employer also self-hosts without issues. Experiences obviously differ, but it’s unclear where the differences stem from, apart from long-term IP reputation.
- vel0city 3y ago
  > Yours is the first comment that doesn't complain. It is potentially more of those with problems are more likely to speak up than everyone else just posting "works fine for me" a thousand times over. I haven't had much deliverability problems with self-hosted things. I set it up right, and I get the emails I expected to get. So there's now two of us saying "works fine for me."
justsomehnguy 3y ago
Personal anecdote != universal, global experience. > have one at a smaller mail provider a) [hosted] Mail provider b) Server (colo/dedicated/VPS/whatever) provider Choose one. > not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server Yes and it's PITA to pull it out of the lists of some shitheads, like SpamHaus. Source: guess it
- Avamander 3y ago
  SpamHaus always has really good reasons for doing what they're doing. How'd you piss them off? There are actually horrid lists like BackScatterer and UCEProtect that you can't even properly contact. So in comparison SH is super pleasant.
  - b112 3y ago
    UCEProtect isn't legitimate. It's effectively a bribery ring. When presented with this data, anyone using it at the corporate level has dropped them. (Bell Canada used them for a while, until I and others demonstrated this fact) So don't worry about them.
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    > SpamHaus always has really good reasons Ah, yes, blocking entire /18 and demanding money for the delisting. I guess 'Guilty by association' is a 'good reason'.
    - Avamander 3y ago
      I haven't ever heard of them asking money for delisting. Surprising. Considering their track record it must be serious. A bulletproof host range? Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour.
      - justsomehnguy 3y ago
        > Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour. I guess if you would be barred from entering Walmart because you live on the same street as someone with 'abusive behaviour' you would be 'oh, yes, totally my fault, sorry for disturbing you'.

by V__ 3y ago

psd1 3y ago

Your experience may not be typical. I ran mail servers before office 365 was a thing, and I often had to get off block lists. There are stories on HN about it being worse, now that you have to request unblocking from MS and Google. Yours is the first comment that doesn't complain.

layer8 3y ago
Nah, I have the same experience as the GP, and in every HN thread about email self-hosting, there are a number of comments along the lines of “I’ve been self-hosting my email for 10-20 years and never had any problems”. My SME employer also self-hosts without issues. Experiences obviously differ, but it’s unclear where the differences stem from, apart from long-term IP reputation.
vel0city 3y ago
> Yours is the first comment that doesn't complain. It is potentially more of those with problems are more likely to speak up than everyone else just posting "works fine for me" a thousand times over. I haven't had much deliverability problems with self-hosted things. I set it up right, and I get the emails I expected to get. So there's now two of us saying "works fine for me."

justsomehnguy 3y ago

Personal anecdote != universal, global experience. > have one at a smaller mail provider a) [hosted] Mail provider b) Server (colo/dedicated/VPS/whatever) provider Choose one. > not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server Yes and it's PITA to pull it out of the lists of some shitheads, like SpamHaus. Source: guess it

Avamander 3y ago
SpamHaus always has really good reasons for doing what they're doing. How'd you piss them off? There are actually horrid lists like BackScatterer and UCEProtect that you can't even properly contact. So in comparison SH is super pleasant.
- b112 3y ago
  UCEProtect isn't legitimate. It's effectively a bribery ring. When presented with this data, anyone using it at the corporate level has dropped them. (Bell Canada used them for a while, until I and others demonstrated this fact) So don't worry about them.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > SpamHaus always has really good reasons Ah, yes, blocking entire /18 and demanding money for the delisting. I guess 'Guilty by association' is a 'good reason'.
  - Avamander 3y ago
    I haven't ever heard of them asking money for delisting. Surprising. Considering their track record it must be serious. A bulletproof host range? Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour.
    - justsomehnguy 3y ago
      > Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour. I guess if you would be barred from entering Walmart because you live on the same street as someone with 'abusive behaviour' you would be 'oh, yes, totally my fault, sorry for disturbing you'.