He did a good interview (though with some overlap) for Novara Media: https://novaramedia.com/2023/08/17/novara-fm-the-art-of-the-psyop-trevor-paglen/ https://n

He did a good interview (though with some overlap) for Novara Media: https://novaramedia.com/2023/08/17/novara-fm-the-art-of-the-psyop-trevor-paglen/ https://novaramedia.com/2023/08/17/novara-fm-the-art-of-the-...