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You've just been fucked by psyops [video]
- mvdwoord 3y agoI attended 30C3 and was fascinated by his talk "Seeing The Secret State: Six Landscapes".. Although there is some interesting thoughts on psychological warfare in this latest presentation, I wish it was longer and a bit more in depth. If anyone has recommendations for further viewing/reading, please share. https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5604_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312282300_-_seeing_the_secret_state_six_landscapes_-_trevor_paglen https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5604_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201312282...
- thirtyclowns 3y agoHe did a good interview (though with some overlap) for Novara Media: https://novaramedia.com/2023/08/17/novara-fm-the-art-of-the-psyop-trevor-paglen/ https://novaramedia.com/2023/08/17/novara-fm-the-art-of-the-...
- caskstrength 3y ago> If anyone has recommendations for further viewing/reading, please share. For further _reading_ would be especially appreciated. I don't have the patience to watch bunch of ~hour long videos for something that could likely be better described in an article that I could read in 5-15 minutes.
- gadders 3y agoLIkewise. I was trying to find a transcript but no luck.
- renonce 3y agoDownload the audio and upload it to any transcription service. OpenAI has a whisper API but there are a lot of alternatives, including running insanely-fast-whisper by yourself or using one of the lots of transcription APIs out there.
- nebula8804 3y agoMaybe transcripts will come later, this video was recorded yesterday at an event that is still ongoing.
- trwllm 3y agoWhisper models can do flawless transcripts in real time. They can run locally on a laptop without proprietary software. Not having them in a tech talk is inexcusable today.
- pabs3 3y agoAren't the Whisper models are proprietary pre-trained blobs?
- jazzyjackson 3y agoI guess in that they don't offer a reproducible toolchain they are proprietary blobs, but it is functional software with an open license (Apache) I do think its noteworthy that the time between something becoming available as a python import and the time it takes to integrate into production tools is apparently > 1 year.
- pabs3 3y agoThe license is kind of irrelevant because its ML stuff that is impossible to retrain from the source data, because what that source data is, is a trade secret and even if it were publicly known, probably not under a FOSS license. The Debian Deep Learning Team's Machine Learning policy calls this sort of thing a "Toxic Candy" project. https://salsa.debian.org/deeplearning-team/ml-policy/ https://salsa.debian.org/deeplearning-team/ml-policy/ Of course people rarely need to retrain from scratch, but with some of the attacks on ML systems out there, that is an essential thing to be able to do if you can afford or crowdfund it.
- trwllm 3y agoSaying that ml models aren't open source because you don't have the data is like saying doom isn't open source because you didn't provide a proof the fast inverse square root works: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root LLMs are just very large magic numbers. That's all there is to them.
- 6510 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson#Indirect_suggestions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson#Indirect_su...
- z3ncyberpunk 3y agodamn, you sound like a robot. sad
- jasonvorhe 3y agoMindwar by Michael Aquino goes pretty deep, but this entire topic is a bottomless pit and once you start researching him and his associates, there's no going back. This is your chance to still enjoy the steak.
- quickthrower2 3y agoA red pill?
- mvdwoord 3y agoWhat isn't a bottomless pit? haha, anyway, thanks for the recommendation, grabbing a copy. I totally get that feeling but fortunately I seem to be able to enjoy my steak nonetheless. I have been dipping into this ever since I got my first fast internet connection back at uni in the 90s and came across Operation Gladio. Back then there wasn't too much drivel and interesting investigative journalism was quite readily available, if you knew where to look. I think the trick in enjoying your steak is mostly in enjoying it regardless of how fucked some things are. Also, not overcooking it, and invite people over to share ;)
- markus_zhang 3y agoI’m in the same ship. I’m a serious conspiracy researcher (self titled) who only looks at verified sources. A decade ago I read about Propaganda Due and Operation Gladio and got fascinated. I did read a couple of books about the topic but I suspect the depth lays in some document cache somewhere in a national archive. I do believe EU countries hold some material. I was also interested in the Bloomfield archive but didn’t get the chance to dip further. These topics are also semi sensitive, I’m afraid, and might expose people like us to unnecessary dangers.
- latentcall 3y agoInteresting. Didn’t know about Gladio, really cool read on Wiki. Bloomfield comes up with nothing, but I imagine I’m not looking for the right thing. :)
- eth0up 3y agoI thought Six Landscapes was absolutely brilliant, and hilarious in a twisted way. This guy is a fierce voice on the bedlam intercom.
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- CTDOCodebases 3y agoThis was one of my favourite talks from CCC. I didn’t realise until the end when I finally looked at the video that it was the same guy.
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- yuvadam 3y agoThere's a live game going on until Saturday at https://cyclops.sh/ https://cyclops.sh/
- thirtyclowns 3y agoMore info here on his Website https://paglen.studio/37C3/ https://paglen.studio/37C3/ Use 37C3 as the enrolment code to play the C3 version of the game. You can only collect prizes in person on Saturday
- jruohonen 3y agoA nice talk! Now we have also new terminology; from surveillance capitalism to psyop capitalism. Yet, the issue is that the former still arguably works poorly at persuasion; hence, Republik. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38792095 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38792095
- happytiger 3y agoThis is essentially just fifth generation warfare, of which people seem to be insanely ignorant. I often talk to people who argue about whether it exists or whether governments can be sophisticated enough to launch these kinds of campaigns. I fear for humanity. Great talk.
- cookiengineer 3y agoIt's so absurd when you work in cyber. So many fake telegram channels under the "Anonymous brand". And in the end it's either Russian or Irani intelligence when you start to observe their operators, attacks, used IPs, ASNs etc. Journalism got so bad, they are way too trigger happy on that next clickbait story. They went from keeping legislation in check to being the useful fools on the internet. I haven't seen a news story without the detail word "allegedly" in years. Putin kind of realized in 2011 that he needs to change the narrative. And western democracies are very inefficient when it comes to debunking fake information, because our legal system takes year or even decades to prove innocence. For Russia, China or other SCO Nations it doesn't matter what kind of fake information they spread. As long as it keeps us busy, it worked. Divide and conquer. Not a new strategy to be honest, but it works like a charm.
- beebeepka 3y agoI wonder why you single out the usual boogie men that US propaganda uses.
- cookiengineer 3y agoLet me google that for you: Advanced Impact Media Solutions (in short: AIMS). Have fun in that rabbit hole.
- MrBuddyCasino 3y agoThe irony will be lost on most here.
- jampekka 3y agoI find it rather ironic that a lot of people, probably quite a vast majority, see themselves immune to propaganda (be it state or commercial). I often play with the tought that I may well be just as brainwashed as e.g. Russians or Chinese are portrayed to be. I don't think there's really a way of knowing for certain. For most this is probably unthinkable. Or maybe I've been brainwashed by constructivist cultural marxism or whathaveyou?
- kriro9jdjfif 3y agoWhat’s funny is a website like this is exactly how a good psyop is propagated Sound like you’re on your marks side, carefully construct an emotional connection via design and semantics that trigger their bias to want to believe You’ve just been fucked by psyops
- ginko 3y agoYeah, the whole presentation feels like an Adam Curtis documentary where random bits of information and imagery are thrown together to create the impression of a common thread.
- Applejinx 3y agoStrangely, it's Adam Curtis who put together the pieces for me on the usefulness of chaos politics to Putin and Russia. I think some of these things can be viewed in two lights, however they're framed. On the one hand it can be framed as 'OMG drama you must know about this terrible thing that will destroy you personally!', and on the other hand it can be 'this is clearly part of how humans work, take that into account'.
- dgellow 3y agoCurtis works is pretty good when seen as an abstract artistic patchwork of archive footage. One can enjoy it the same way you would enjoy an artsy novel or a song based on real life events. Unfortunately that’s also exactly the style used (minus the artistic aspect) by conspiracy propagandists, and it seems pretty clear in 2023 that a large amount of the population consume that type of content as “here is the map of the hidden truth THEY try to hide!” and completely disconnect from reality. I love his work, the mix of music and imagery is stimulating my brain in a way that makes me feel creative and as if I went through a whole journey. But I hate the fact it gives some form of legitimacy to conspiracy bullshit…
- acqq 3y agoThe author of this one is an artist. Whoever consumes this work without considering this is also demonstrating how often the information is processed under already fixed expectations, also affecting the results. Adam Curtis also stated that his own work is intentionally "different", so I believe the similarities aren't accidental.
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- RandomLensman 3y agoThe gap between those that can afford to interact a lot with the physical world & decision makers and those who cannot will grow ever bigger.
- 29athrowaway 3y agoPeople that master this art can go work in Human Resources.
- jacooper 3y agoWell if this talk is anything to go by, it doesn't have to be people anymore.
- sandworm101 3y agoI honestly stopped watching at the mention of MKULTRA. Too many of these talks resort to the tired tedtalk techniques of building credibility with some shoddy journalism linking something common today (facial recognition) to some past horror (mkultra+experiments on dogs) just obscure enough that people recognize it as evil but dont know any details, making them open and eager to absorb whatever bunk you shovel at them. Such links are normally made through references to obscure historical figures, conveniently dead enough that they cannot refute any allegations. Want to have a serious talk about psyops? Start by not employing such childish techniques in your own videos. Here is a real psyops story. Not ancient history. Something recent involving alive people subject to modern scrutiny. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/psychological-warfare-influence-campaign-canadian-armed-forces-1.6079084 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/psychological-warfare-influ...
- drekipus 3y agoMKULTRA is an easy stepping stone for anyone who isn't aware. If you are aware, you can simply skip over it, it doesn't detract from the talk
- twic 3y agoI watched the whole thing, and i think you made the right decision. There aren't any facts or solid connections here you couldn't learn from browsing wikipedia for twenty minutes. I particularly enjoyed the bit with the leaked GCHQ slide deck where he points out that there are a lot of pictures of UFOs in it, and says he doesn't know why, but perhaps it's because GCHQ are using them for disinformation. Rather than as, you know metaphors. Or maybe metaphors are considered advanced British BRAIN SCIENCE?
- sandworm101 3y agoNow i wish i stuck with it. Ridiculous flying saucer speculation is a guilty pleasure for me. But here is a better story of reverse-psyops, of when the public created fake flying saucers to trick the UK military. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-41110193 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-41110193
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- thriftwy 3y agoI believe this video is a part of psyops since it talks about a real phenomenon then diverts into irrelevant bushes. P. S. Half way towards the end they admit of it. Still, wasted my half an hour.
- DrDroop 3y agoMan am I glad I don't go to this conference anymore. There is something in psychology called the blue dot effect where people primed to find blue dots will start identifying purple and green as blue as well. I attended because of the edgy non-corporate but otherwise technically interesting stuff. But over time I just couldn't stand how everything that is coated in the cheap veneer of the anarcho cypher punk rebellion is accepted without any critical thought. People don't like hearing what I am saying because the same crowd frequents this site, but I find your delusional paranoid ideation a bigger attack on my sanity then whatever big tech is putting in my social media feed. You like pointing your fingers at everyone else and accuse them of a big psyops, but guess what, this is what you are doing. Now go and do your worst.
- ghusto 3y agoGlad you had the balls to say it, because just a few minutes in I was worried this kind of thinking was acceptable (at least here). What a load of deluded bollocks.
- depr 3y ago>There is something in psychology called the blue dot effect where people primed to find blue dots will start identifying purple and green as blue as well. I am sure this is well-researched and reproducible, and generalizes to other concepts, like all the other biases "discovered" by academic researchers.
- DrDroop 3y agoYes, the same thing is observed for example with happy faces.
- fasterik 3y agoI see little difference between the conspiracy thinking coming out of the hacker community and that coming out of MAGA and QAnon communities. Vague sinister claims that those in power are pulling all the strings and executing some master plan to deceive everybody. Reality is a lot more boring, mundane, and complicated than that. I don't follow the hacker scene much anymore, but when I did, I was a fan of talks by people like Moxie Marlinspike. Entertaining, technical, and just edgy enough without falling into cringe LARP/cosplay pretending to be Neo in the Matrix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dhSN9aEljg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dhSN9aEljg
- swayvil 3y agoHere's a heuristic for detecting psyops. When the public opinion becomes nigh uniform. When near 99% of everybody agrees. When you see them mouthing the same catchy phrases. That's a psyop. Because normally there are a dozen or more flavors of opinion floating around.
- gardenhedge 3y agoAny examples?
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- sneak 3y agoTwo off the top of my head: “If you’re not a Bad Guy or doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear from government surveillance.” “There is a huge problem of violence in the USA stemming from the use of assault weapons.”
- Xeamek 3y ago? Neither of those are even close to the 99% threshold.
- swayvil 3y agoThen go with 98 Jesus, you people would eat a rock if I called it a sandwich.
- Xeamek 3y ago...or maybe your examples are just extreemely bad and don't fit at all?
- j4yav 3y agoThey are more like 50 though? Unless you break them up into groups (political parties oriented around being for/against a topic may be quite well aligned in their views, but it's almost a tautology - you can probably divide people up lots of ways to align groups of views, but it isn't necessarily indicative of psyops).
- nonrandomstring 3y agoMay I just put something out there, make of it what you will. There is such a thing as good influence and useful psyops. Maybe, given multiple narratives of the world, there are some that are objectively better than others, not for special interests but for everyone - though who is to be the judge of that? At the foundation level we do this every day in schools and universities around the world. We call it "education". Indeed it is a very strong form of psyops because it is often compulsory. Many of us here are, or have been, involved in a dark and seedy side, namely "advertising", to sell products that nobody needs or can afford, putting ever more burden on the planet to make wealth for the few. Much as I'd like to see the destruction of the advertising industry, it's quite woven into human affairs. Indeed, right here on HN, I repeatedly hear the sentiment that "people are too stupid to make up their own minds" - that we as technologists must guide them, make UX decisions, be caretakers of their data, privacy and security, because... well because we are the "elite who know better". That's not entirely untrue however arrogant its kernel. Though I personally, firmly believe the contrary, as an ideology. Making technology is a powerful form of influence because it shapes how people see the world. At the end of the day the important questions is of intent and methods. Do you make influence in the world with integrity and good faith? Or are you a selfish, greedy, Machiavellian manipulator out to further your own ends? Or a tool for others to? I hope that in the work I have done for BBC and British Govt, it's the former, and that I've exercised good judgement. However, trying to influence people to be sceptical and have critical thinking has paradoxical sides that Monty Python and George Carlin put best. So I'll share that I am inspired by Darth Vader.... :) I's no secret that David Prowse (body actor) was interviewed toward the end of his life and poured scorn on the Vader role, and on George Lucas. He said, on it was not something he was particularly proud of. The thing he saw as his life achievement was as "The Green Cross Man" a cheesy 1970's road safety influence campaign conservatively estimated to have saved the lives of half a million children. Sure, influence based on fear and deception is the worst, and weakest kind. But not all messages "with an agenda" are to be mistrusted with respect to their intent, even if one sceptically, rightly, rejects people who think they "know what s good for you". Thinkers from Aristotle to Quine, Shannon, Ayer and Wittgenstein have pointed out that there are no such things as "bare messages", containing neutral, objective truths. Every byte of information, if it actually "informs", contains with it an implicit agenda and context. Every poem or song has a feeling to convey. Even my thermometer is concerned with whether the room is too hot or too cold (who said that i forget?). So maybe the quest for something that isn't "influence" is misguided? Perhaps the problem is that we focus on and allow a minority of toxic influencers to prevail, for psychological reasons we've not yet wised up to. Selectivity is the key.
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- afiodorov 3y agotranscript: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/afiodorov/fucked-by-psyops/main/transcript.txt https://raw.githubusercontent.com/afiodorov/fucked-by-psyops...
- diimdeep 3y agoI see from github that you use online hosted API to transcribe voice, you should instead use offline whisper, I recommend to look into whisper.cpp
- afiodorov 3y agoI haven't had the time to set-up whisper - but I don't even have a gpu. By the way Deepgram hosts Whisper too, but according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35367655 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35367655 their models are much better. Transcribing the video was almost instant.
- diimdeep 3y agowhisper.cpp works fine on CPU
- TriangleEdge 3y agoThe data point I can offer is this: from my experience, psychopaths are real, and the governments of the world don't have a leash on them, regardless of their democracy status [1]. In my mind, those of you who built the tools to send data to the govt, you fueled some demons, regardless of how good of an action you think you were doing was. I find it tricky tho, because I do have this belief in arms races, so exploit or be exploited. In economics, they call it a race to the bottom. I also think AI is going to be to most abused persuasion weapon ever. [1] I worked for Palantir pre IPO.
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- nomilk 3y agoYesterday I looked up 'deep tissue massage' on Google Maps and the "most relevant" review on the top result seemed legit, if a bit general (I had no reason to suspect anything). That was until the last paragraph! If google struggles to detect and filter out obviously fake reviews, it doesn't bode well for broader society. https://imgur.com/a/20jLlg7 https://imgur.com/a/20jLlg7
- davidy123 3y agosorry, what am I missing? What is insidious about the last paragraph?
- nomilk 3y ago> Remember to stay respectful in your review while expressing your dissatisfaction with the service you received. Constructive feedback can help the business improve, even if your experience was negative The "review" is copy/pasted straight from an LLM! Only on closer inspection, I realised the previous 3 paragraphs were between " characters!
- davidy123 3y agoOh I see. I thought they were giving general advice but that makes sense. The person could have used ChatGPT to write it for them, if language was an issue or they were in a really bad mood after the experience. I do that sometimes. Remember to stay … just kidding.
- dgellow 3y agoNote that it can also be due to translation. I switch between 3 languages in my day to day life, I sometime ask ChatGPT to help me formulate something or review something I wrote. And it often adds such a note at the end if I mentioned it was for an online comment or something like that.
- x1sec 3y agoIn the Q&A section, the speaker remarks: "There is a part of the talk where I am trying to perform a little bit.. the thing that I'm also talking about. My background is in art .. and we always try to think about form and content being kind of the same thing.." Thoroughly entertaining, well executed.
- t0bia_s 3y agoAre there anywhere EN subtitles for this video?
- nomilk 3y agoNot sure, but another comment gives a link to a transcript.
- thinkingemote 3y agoA scary frightening conspiracy theory is actually comforting and reassuring. It gives a reason why there is evil and chaos and says that there are people in charge of things. It's much less reassuring and more terrifying to look at the world and see that no one knows what's going on really, there isn't some brainy think tank with a 1000 year secret plan for the future, that randomness and chaos and brokenness is the default. Conspiracy at any level tells us that there is a plan and tells us where we are in relation to that plan.
- nyolfen 3y agoconspiracy is simply private coordination
- huijzer 3y agoAlmost no substance in the talk. Just showing scary looking videos and pictures and making a lot of extreme claims which should reasonable if you don't think about it. For example, he says that "Google is basically useless since the generation of AI content". I can agree to saying that it has gotten less useful in the last 10 years, but "basically useless" is a stretch.
- lwhi 3y agoCome on .. do you really feel that google is the place to go to find things these days? Do you honestly feel that this statement is incorrect? Personally, I agree. Google is no longer _the_ primary method I use to find things.
- NotMichaelBay 3y agoGoogle is still the primary method I use to find things, and I'm someone who has also thoroughly integrated ChatGPT into my workflow for answers. I use Google when searching for current news or local restaurants or businesses. I use it as a sort of bookmark manager when I can't remember a domain or specific webpage I'm looking for. I use it when I really need to trust the source of information and know it isn't a hallucination. I even still use it sometimes for coding questions when I just need to remember a function name or something very short and I can get it with a simple Google search of 2 or 3 words. ChatGPT would give me the answer, but it would require a longer prompt or give me a wordier answer.
- ChatGTP 3y agoI had to move over to Kagi as I found it hopeless, so you're individual datapoint isn't enough to disprove anything. Neither is mine, so we need better data to make this call.
- NotMichaelBay 3y agoI personally use Google but I was using it to mean search engines in general, because I took the top comment to mean search engines compared to generative AI.
- diimdeep 3y agoThere is more info here https://paglen.studio/psyops/ https://paglen.studio/psyops/ https://www.pacegallery.com/journal/announcing-trevor-paglens-new-speculative-reality-work-and-related-web3-series/ https://www.pacegallery.com/journal/announcing-trevor-paglen... https://www.pacegallery.com/journal/trevor-paglens-abridged-guide-psyops/ https://www.pacegallery.com/journal/trevor-paglens-abridged-...
- speak_plainly 3y agoThis talk is complementary, Daniel Dennett and Susan Schneider on counterfeiting humans: https://youtu.be/YLzZ1V4S-tY https://youtu.be/YLzZ1V4S-tY Dennett also brought up the problem of AI as a counterfeit human on this podcast (Theories of Everything): https://youtu.be/bH553zzjQlI https://youtu.be/bH553zzjQlI
- lbotos 3y agoAside: That chain break animation was sick. Anyone know who/how it was created? Love the dithered effect.
- dappermanneke 3y agoseems like incomprehensible nonsense for hacker news retirees to fill time with
- matrix87 3y agoIf there's one thing I've learned from technology, it's that people put way too much faith in technology People want to believe that the tech is good enough to build this advertising simulacrum the guy in the video refers to. It's all a fantasy People want to believe that govt and big tech are this omniscient, monolithic entity. If that was actually the case then how do they not catch whistleblowers who leave trails of evidence months before leaking? Anyone who talks about tech like it's some kind of deity clearly shouldn't be talking about it, or at least only for the sake of marketing
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- viknesh 3y agoThe contents of the link are so far from what you describe them as it's hard to believe that you're arguing in good faith. Put another way, what is the government even bringing to the table? Clearly Twitter had the tools to attempt to sway the election on their own, so why do they need to meet with <insert 3 letter agency>?
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoWhy would a three letter agency need to meet with a head of safety at twitter? If they need an IP address from someone illegal, I'm sure there's someone down the chain answering to law enforcment. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601359872528101376/photo/1 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601359872528101376/photo... Twitter has a lot to gain by being friendly with the government... regulations can pass or not-pass, government grants can be given, etc.
- dgellow 3y agoYou’re speculating based on nothing concrete, don’t be surprised if people label you as a propagandist. Taibbi isn't really a bastion of truth and credibility, he analyze almost everything through a conspiracy lens without providing good justifications other than “look at the map of disconnected dots I drew, it’s all clear now!”.
- Waterluvian 3y agoSuch paranoia and cognitive dissonance. “Why did this soldier lament that he’s a war criminal? Hmm. The Koreans must have figured out mind control techniques and are making him say this stuff. We’d better do it too then.”
- exo-pla-net 3y agoUnhinged, wild speculation. A teaser: evil corporations will make your AI girlfriends suggest that you buy Monster energy drinks. Embarrassing that HN apparently has such a large tinfoil hat contingent.
- aatd86 3y agoNo need. Can just excite one of your brain regions while you watch an ad...
- xorcist 3y agoThat quote is taken out of context and does not represent the contents of the talk. It's all very speculative, and ties together CIA conspiracies with the history of AI, but if you're into that sort of thing it's thought provoking.
- jmprspret 3y agoHow this idea far fetched or unhinged? Genuinely asking, because it seems very plausible to me.
- cooljoseph 3y agoInstead of saying "wild speculation" and using a lot of charged words, it would be more helpful if you explained why you think it is wrong. This just comes across as you trying to denounce the other side as low status and looks bad--though you're probably right.
- mhh__ 3y ago80% of the information comes from the tone of voice.
- datadrivenangel 3y agoIt'll be Pepsi, but yeah.
- ramblenode 3y ago> A teaser: evil corporations will make your AI girlfriends suggest that you buy Monster energy drinks. Like the other commenters, I'm surprised you think this is far-fetched. Just skim through the list of actual advertising campaigns mastermined by the father of public relations, Edward Bernays, to see how deep this field goes [0]. This guy intended (and succeeded) in changing American women's perception of the color green in order to sell more Lucky Strike cigarettes that came in green packaging. An entire government was overthrown in order to sell more bananas. Targeted advertising is small potatoes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
- tsunamifury 3y agoThis guy pretty much just summarizes every Adam Curtis documentary. Hyper normalization is a masterpiece. This is a sort of Poor summary of that.
- aeonik 3y agoAfter watching this video, Veratasium's video brings me some modicum of hope at least: "What The Prisoner's Dilemma Reveals About Life, The Universe, and Everything" https://youtu.be/mScpHTIi-kM https://youtu.be/mScpHTIi-kM Practice spotting those cognitive biases. Your Wikipedia rabbit hole may start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
- sph 3y agoThat one was of his best videos, but while it made me a lot more optimistic about human affairs, I wouldn't translate that to the world at large. Large groups of people and organisation do not function like humans. While this shows it is scientifically proven that being nice and forgiving works with fellow humans, governments and corporations do not operate like that. They have no feelings, they have no physical presence, they do not care about hurting or helping you. They only care about preserving and justify their existence.
- 0dayz 3y agoOn the surface yes, in practice no. I think there are a few societies that are as you described heartless, mainly former Russian empire and the Chinese empire (which hint hint still has the same heartless society today). The reason why I say so is that if it truly was the case that governments or even corporations were entirely heartless, then we should be living like China and Russia, seen as expendable cannon fodder or serfs. A civilized government or corporation needs in some way cooperative with the people, that how you can attain taxes, profit , stability and trust. And as you know we used to, what changed is the prisoners dilemma, most monarchies that decided to cooperate are the ones still Live today while those that sought to suppress started a zero sum game of whoever would win. The exception there is China where it was the 2nd round (warlords fighting themselves) that decided to not cooperate.
- sph 3y ago> A civilized government or corporation needs in some way cooperative with the people, that how you can attain taxes, profit , stability and trust. In theory, sure, in practice, strongly disagree, but this would be too long a philosophical and political discussion to be had as a forum comment. A civilized government doesn't need to be cooperative and nice with people, with their monopoly on force, overwhelming power over the individual, not to say it doesn't really care about you, in a country of tens or hundreds of millions of other people. You literally are just a statistic. Its only problem is if a huge majority of people rebel against it, but there is a very efficient way to avoid that: control of mass media and... psyops. Why would you rebel against the system when you're brainwashed it is efficient, friendly, and you have the power to change it? How would you organise against it, when all our lives are based on the Internet and technology that is easy to monitor? Sorry, I promised I wouldn't get political.
- jdthedisciple 3y agoKagi Summary: Military and intelligence agencies conducted extensive research into mind control, brainwashing, hypnosis, drugs, and other means of manipulating human perception during the Cold War era. This was known as "brain warfare." The CIA investigated claims of psychic abilities and UFOs, seeing them as potential weapons that could influence mass hysteria or disrupt defenses. They sought to debunk UFO beliefs through media campaigns. Early computer programs like ELIZA showed how simple linguistic tricks could create the illusion of intelligence, influencing how people perceive machines. New technologies are enabling highly personalized and targeted manipulation of individual perceptions through media and recommendation algorithms. UFOs became a tool for psychological operations, helping cover advanced military programs and creating plausible deniability for secret aircraft. Illusionists and magicians taught covert agents how to use deception and surreptitiously deliver drugs or toxins. The boundaries between human and machine perception are blurring, with AI able to generate personalized hallucinations at scale. Cognitive warfare aims to exploit vulnerabilities in how we perceive the world through adversarial hallucinations and prompt injections. Reality itself has become suspect, with everything seen as potential memes or cognitive attacks vying to manipulate us. Recent U.S. government discussions of UFOs touch on long-running military-intelligence programs while provoking confusion and speculation.
- getwiththeprog 3y agoTurn On, Tune In, Drop Out. I thought we were past that, oh well.
- heads 3y agoThank you CCC for giving us downloadable video and audio. I’ve just downloaded this for my flight today. (I’m a passenger, not the pilot.)
- camillomiller 3y agoYou would have time to watch nonetheless with planes nowadays :D
- getwiththeprog 3y agoExcept during pre-flight planning, take-off, during the flight and landing.
- heckraiser 3y agoThought control is far more advanced than any modern layperson can grasp. Our minds are analog quantum tech and can be linked through entanglement. They’re not just mind fucking you, they are running a secret government of power in parallel to our own. They screw the government at every opportunity. The government and big tech aren’t thought control, thought control are the voices in their heads. Thought control are the voices in all of our heads. Their secret state has outgrown a contemporary society that refuses to believe it is even possible, let alone exist. We are not alone in our own minds, and thought control is running a secret state of extortion against us all.
- Cockbrand 3y agoI really like the talk content-wise, but don't find it very coherent. The speaker opens a few threads left and right, but just jumps between them and doesn't really weave them together.
- zvmaz 3y agoThe tone and aesthetics of the video feels like I am watching a "conspiracy theory" video made to elicit all my psychological triggers and biases towards believing in a "grand conspiracy" to control us (paradoxically, the video feels like exactly that: tricks to elicit specific psychological responses). True or not, I stopped watching it.
- TurkishPoptart 3y agoInteresting that Richard Doty, the man being quoted in the video, doesn't have his own Wikipedia page. Is this part of perception management? He is only alluded to in this documentary film's page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage_Men https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage_Men
- cassepipe 3y agoIs this video just a convoluted way to say that UFOs are a psyop to cover experiment on stealth aircrafts by the military ? Or is there more to it ? I watched the whole of it but it seemed... superficial ? What did I miss ?
- godelski 3y agoYou missed most of the talk. The term Psyop-capitalism seems to be a pretty prominent part of the message. As in transitioning from Surveillance Capitalism to Psyops-Capitalism. Which you might interpret as a hype machine or... fraud. Fraud it till you make it?
- cassepipe 3y agoTrue but it's only an hypothesis at the beginning of the talk and then he doesn't actually talks about it instead he goes into a (too?) quick history of psyops in the US and... end of the talk. The psyop capitalism idea ends up not being discussed.
- adultSwim 3y ago"GHOSTS IN THE MACHINE" (3:35) flex/recruiting video for the US Army's 4th Psychological Operations Group https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw