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Wow, Outlook actually tells you they blocked you? My email (custom gmail domain btw) just ends up in the Spam folder of outlook clients with no notification at
by abberation 3y ago
Wow, Outlook actually tells you they blocked you? My email (custom gmail domain btw) just ends up in the Spam folder of outlook clients with no notification at all.
- jraph 3y agoI self host. Over the years, I've had both situations with outlook. I've tried many things. As it happens, I noticed my mails have gone through just fine in the last months, at least to companies using Microsoft services without me doing anything specific, after I threw the towel with Outlook. I did switch VPS providers almost a year ago, though to a provider that I expect to be more filtered (ovh).
- delusional 3y agoThat's a different issue. You're usually not notified of spam designations, but bounces (where the mail server completely refuses to accept your email) do usually receive a notification. If you're designated as both (for example if you keep sending email that bounces) you'll get blackholed and wont receive any bounce notification either.
- Sayrus 3y agoWhen I used to self-host my emails, GMail would "accept" mails then drop them. Microsoft was kind enough to tell me they dropped them but getting out of the blacklists was a pain.
- lucb1e 3y agoAn advantage of landing in spam is that the user still has a choice and is in control. Rejecting outright is a "lalalala I can't hear youu!!" type of stupid situation that only big providers can get away with, without the users realizing their bigcorp is the one with delivery issues
- uxp8u61q 3y agoAs a user, I'm thankful I don't need to sift through hundreds of spam emails a day to find potential false positives. Because that's what you're advocating. You'd apparently like everyone to have a terrible email experience for the sake of your own personal comfort and preference (self hosting your emails). Besides, for something truly important, the people or organisations who need to reach me know how to do so other than via email (phone, chat, postal mail...).
- Dalewyn 3y agoThis. Microsoft, Google, et al. aren't doing anything worthy of criticism here; it's the spammers who ruin email for the rest of us who should be facing the music.
- pm215 3y agoConversely, if you as the sender get a bounce at least you know something went wrong and can try a different way to contact the other person (different email, telephone, text message...) Bouncing is the traditional approach, and the original ethos was "bounce, or defer, or deliver, but don't ever accidentally or deliberately just drop an email on the floor". It depends whether you think of "the user" as the sender or the re cover -- as a (human) sender I'd rather get a bounce than be silently ignored in a spam folder, but as a receiver I prefer the grey-area emails to be accept-but-spamfolder, not bounced...
- midasuni 3y agoI used to set my mail client up to bounce emails detected as spam with a fake bounce and a delete. My mail provider (university) at the time complained to me because those bounces themselves bounced.
- BSDobelix 3y agoHave you tested with: https://www.mail-tester.com/ https://www.mail-tester.com/
- TomK32 3y agoThanks, I was missing a DKIM on my mailcow setup. 10/10 now :-)
- BSDobelix 3y agoExcellent!! Have a nice day!
- Pathogen-David 3y agoAnother useful tool is https://www.learndmarc.com/ https://www.learndmarc.com/ -- I found the presentation very helpful when I was finally getting on the DMARC train a while back.
- BSDobelix 3y agoTrue, MECSA is also interesting: https://mecsa.jrc.ec.europa.eu/en/ https://mecsa.jrc.ec.europa.eu/en/
- yonrg 3y agoThey made me configure MTS
- _ache_ 3y agoWhoa ! Very nice tool.
- Pathogen-David 3y agoOoh, thank you for sharing! This has given me a few things I should look into improving with my setup.