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How does Amazon, Google, and Microsoft come out as the little guys being bullied by... Mongo and Elastic in your worldview? And who is generating the open sour

How does Amazon, Google, and Microsoft come out as the little guys being bullied by... Mongo and Elastic in your worldview? And who is generating the open source code in your world compared to who is getting paid for it? It just doesn't make any sense unless one is principally funded by big tech companies... like the OSI is. (Intriguingly, the corporate sponsor link is basically impossible to reach through navigating their site now, but here's who the OSI works for: https://opensource.org/sponsors/ https://opensource.org/sponsors/ Nice group of little guys.)

josephcsible 3y ago
If you don't like the OSI, then look at the FSF instead. Don't they have the same views on those kind of licenses?
- ocdtrekkie 3y ago
  Considering the FSF refuses to remove a voting board member who has repeatedly and zealously spoken up on behalf of pedophilia and in defense of pedophiles, I think we can also dismiss them as having any sort of rational or defensible moral or ethical position. (I highly recommend https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.html https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.htm... as required reading for anyone who has any commentary on the FSF.) Don't we, as a community of developers trying to make the world a better place and build software with lasting impact for humanity deserve better representation? Shouldn't we ask if the positions of these two extremely problematic organizations is really the path we should invest in? Like, I contribute to and support open source projects, and I release my own code currently under permissive licenses, generally. But when the core freedom is "able to be used for surveillance capitalism that pays for billionaires to build bunker mansions to survive the apocalypse they're creating", while we villainize the companies actually developing the code who try to open source their code and still let their developers eat, we have a set of "freedoms" that are actually chaining us all to our doom.
  - josephcsible 3y ago
    > I release my own code currently under permissive licenses > the core freedom is "able to be used for surveillance capitalism that pays for billionaires to build bunker mansions to survive the apocalypse they're creating" If you released your code under AGPLv3+ instead of permissive licenses, then your code wouldn't be usable in most/all such applications.

josephcsible 3y ago

If you don't like the OSI, then look at the FSF instead. Don't they have the same views on those kind of licenses?

ocdtrekkie 3y ago
Considering the FSF refuses to remove a voting board member who has repeatedly and zealously spoken up on behalf of pedophilia and in defense of pedophiles, I think we can also dismiss them as having any sort of rational or defensible moral or ethical position. (I highly recommend https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.html https://drewdevault.com/2023/11/25/2023-11-26-RMS-on-sex.htm... as required reading for anyone who has any commentary on the FSF.) Don't we, as a community of developers trying to make the world a better place and build software with lasting impact for humanity deserve better representation? Shouldn't we ask if the positions of these two extremely problematic organizations is really the path we should invest in? Like, I contribute to and support open source projects, and I release my own code currently under permissive licenses, generally. But when the core freedom is "able to be used for surveillance capitalism that pays for billionaires to build bunker mansions to survive the apocalypse they're creating", while we villainize the companies actually developing the code who try to open source their code and still let their developers eat, we have a set of "freedoms" that are actually chaining us all to our doom.
- josephcsible 3y ago
  > I release my own code currently under permissive licenses > the core freedom is "able to be used for surveillance capitalism that pays for billionaires to build bunker mansions to survive the apocalypse they're creating" If you released your code under AGPLv3+ instead of permissive licenses, then your code wouldn't be usable in most/all such applications.