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Did you watch the new Star Wars trilogy? How about the new Mulan? If you did and did not think they were hamfisted, then I think you have a much higher threshol

Did you watch the new Star Wars trilogy? How about the new Mulan? If you did and did not think they were hamfisted, then I think you have a much higher threshold than most.

dragontamer 3y ago
> How about the new Mulan? Mulan sucked, but mostly because "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" did the plot better 20 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkhVVFRIIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkhVVFRIIg Mulan fell into the same wishy-washy problem so many of these other recent movies fell into. Was Mulan supposed to be a wuxia / Chi-based kung fu movie where one exceptional warrior makes huge differences on the battlefield? Erm, maybe. Or was it supposed to be a somewhat gritty war movie akin to the original cartoon? Erm... also yes, sometimes. As such, we never got the spectacular fight scenes you'd normally get from Wuxia, nor did we get the grittier, tactical kind of Mulan that the cartoon was. The directors were faced with a choice and they chose "both", which in practice means "neither".
Joeboy 3y ago
The most upfront "message" I can think of from the Star Wars sequels is TLJ's assertion that you don't need to be born important to do important things. Is that what we're talking about?
- throwawa14223 3y ago
  Luke is washed up and pathetic, Han is washed up and pathetic, "Let the past die", "I've dealt with plenty of trigger happy flyboys like you", the ham-fisted lecture about capitalism on the casino planet, and the whole "The force is female" marketing. It was pretty egregious.
PierceJoy 3y ago
I asked for specific examples. If it’s so obvious, it should be easy to provide a couple. If you’re so confident this is occurring, provide examples and be able to defend them. Gesturing broadly at movie titles tells me that you may be aware your position isn’t very strong. Disney movies aren’t doing great because they’re boring, plain and simple. “Messaging” has nothing to do with it.
- Levitz 3y ago
  You have plenty of examples in this thread, you have the CEO literally stating it as a problem. At this point, if you don't see it is because you don't want to see it.
  - PierceJoy 3y ago
    There are precisely zero examples of anything being shoved down someone’s throat. Unless you’re so incredibly sensitive that the mere presentation of a gay person living their life constitutes shoving homosexuality down your throat. As I said, Disney movies are boring. Everyone knows that, but it’s much easier for the CEO to vaguely hint at “messaging” than admit that they don’t know how to create entertaining movies any longer.

Did you watch the new Star Wars trilogy? How about the new Mulan? If you did and did not think they were hamfisted, then I think you have a much higher threshold than most.

dragontamer 3y ago

> How about the new Mulan? Mulan sucked, but mostly because "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" did the plot better 20 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkhVVFRIIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkhVVFRIIg Mulan fell into the same wishy-washy problem so many of these other recent movies fell into. Was Mulan supposed to be a wuxia / Chi-based kung fu movie where one exceptional warrior makes huge differences on the battlefield? Erm, maybe. Or was it supposed to be a somewhat gritty war movie akin to the original cartoon? Erm... also yes, sometimes. As such, we never got the spectacular fight scenes you'd normally get from Wuxia, nor did we get the grittier, tactical kind of Mulan that the cartoon was. The directors were faced with a choice and they chose "both", which in practice means "neither".

Joeboy 3y ago

The most upfront "message" I can think of from the Star Wars sequels is TLJ's assertion that you don't need to be born important to do important things. Is that what we're talking about?

throwawa14223 3y ago
Luke is washed up and pathetic, Han is washed up and pathetic, "Let the past die", "I've dealt with plenty of trigger happy flyboys like you", the ham-fisted lecture about capitalism on the casino planet, and the whole "The force is female" marketing. It was pretty egregious.

PierceJoy 3y ago

I asked for specific examples. If it’s so obvious, it should be easy to provide a couple. If you’re so confident this is occurring, provide examples and be able to defend them. Gesturing broadly at movie titles tells me that you may be aware your position isn’t very strong. Disney movies aren’t doing great because they’re boring, plain and simple. “Messaging” has nothing to do with it.

Levitz 3y ago
You have plenty of examples in this thread, you have the CEO literally stating it as a problem. At this point, if you don't see it is because you don't want to see it.
- PierceJoy 3y ago
  There are precisely zero examples of anything being shoved down someone’s throat. Unless you’re so incredibly sensitive that the mere presentation of a gay person living their life constitutes shoving homosexuality down your throat. As I said, Disney movies are boring. Everyone knows that, but it’s much easier for the CEO to vaguely hint at “messaging” than admit that they don’t know how to create entertaining movies any longer.