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> We already know Apple and Google cooperate with the spy agencies very eagerly. The evidence clearly indicates otherwise…

Aerbil313 3y ago
Ahem, Snowden, PRISM anyone?
- jsjohnst 3y ago
  Ahem, you mean you have a single example, from a decade ago, one where Apple was hardly a key player (hence why Apple didn’t sign onto PRISM until half a decade after Yahoo, Microsoft, Google, et all), as conclusive evidence of “eagerness to partner with spy agencies”, despite numerous public cases where they’ve done the opposite… got it!
  - smallnix 3y ago
    That makes sense, would you agree to the revised statement: "We already know Apple cooperated with the spy agencies behind the publics back"?
    - jsjohnst 3y ago
      No, I won’t agree to context free blanket statements which are specifically worded to imply something which is simply not provably true, especially given evidence to the opposite. If you knew anything about PRISM at all, even the technical details publicly available with the minimalist of effort on your part, you wouldn’t be asking.
      - LanzVonL 3y ago
        The struggle itself is a clue, nobody takes time out of their day to defend Apple and PRISM on the Internet. Opsec needs enhancement.
        jsjohnst 3y ago
        > nobody takes time out of their day to defend Apple and PRISM on the Internet I’m definitely not defending Apple to be clear. I just believe facts matter, especially when it involves security topics. Parroting around misleading and/or straight false statements related to security topics does nobody any good.
freeflight 3y ago
How so? Any competent intelligence service will not just depend on the goodwill of a corporation to secure access to assets and intelligence. If they cooperate that's good and convenient, but that does not mean the intelligence service will not set in place contingencies for if the other side suddenly decides not to play ball anymore.
- jsjohnst 3y ago
  I said nothing about anything you stated, that’s all clearly possible, I specifically refuted the unsupported claim that Apple “eagerly cooperate with spy agencies”, where there’s ample evidence to support an opposite claim.

Aerbil313 3y ago

Ahem, Snowden, PRISM anyone?

jsjohnst 3y ago
Ahem, you mean you have a single example, from a decade ago, one where Apple was hardly a key player (hence why Apple didn’t sign onto PRISM until half a decade after Yahoo, Microsoft, Google, et all), as conclusive evidence of “eagerness to partner with spy agencies”, despite numerous public cases where they’ve done the opposite… got it!
- smallnix 3y ago
  That makes sense, would you agree to the revised statement: "We already know Apple cooperated with the spy agencies behind the publics back"?
  - jsjohnst 3y ago
    No, I won’t agree to context free blanket statements which are specifically worded to imply something which is simply not provably true, especially given evidence to the opposite. If you knew anything about PRISM at all, even the technical details publicly available with the minimalist of effort on your part, you wouldn’t be asking.
    - LanzVonL 3y ago
      The struggle itself is a clue, nobody takes time out of their day to defend Apple and PRISM on the Internet. Opsec needs enhancement.
      - jsjohnst 3y ago
        > nobody takes time out of their day to defend Apple and PRISM on the Internet I’m definitely not defending Apple to be clear. I just believe facts matter, especially when it involves security topics. Parroting around misleading and/or straight false statements related to security topics does nobody any good.

freeflight 3y ago

How so? Any competent intelligence service will not just depend on the goodwill of a corporation to secure access to assets and intelligence. If they cooperate that's good and convenient, but that does not mean the intelligence service will not set in place contingencies for if the other side suddenly decides not to play ball anymore.

jsjohnst 3y ago
I said nothing about anything you stated, that’s all clearly possible, I specifically refuted the unsupported claim that Apple “eagerly cooperate with spy agencies”, where there’s ample evidence to support an opposite claim.