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I attempt to answer that in my paper you can read: https://kemendo.com/Myth-of-Scarcity.html https://kemendo.com/Myth-of-Scarcity.html Answer: The idea of pro

I attempt to answer that in my paper you can read: https://kemendo.com/Myth-of-Scarcity.html https://kemendo.com/Myth-of-Scarcity.html Answer: The idea of property which leads to agriculture arises consequent with the loss of megafauna. So a massive loss of available calories requires a complete reorganization of society in effect, and as those losses spread around the globe as humans also spread around the globe. Simultaneously you have to develop compensatory mechanisms for calories hence agriculture.

brnaftr361 3y ago
What happens if you flip the property->agriculture assertion, instead agriculture->property. This regime makes more sense to me, especially when considering the supposed nutritional poverty that the earliest agricultural societies are said to have experienced. "I worked this land, the yield is... mine..?" leading to conflict which eventually necessitated state and thus defined property rights. And this then allowed for vertical hierarchical development as "old money" was in possession of the most fertile land. I'll read through your paper here shortly, perhaps I'll find the answer.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Property in the form of “excludable and rival” was invented when we had to start hoarding megafauna- aka nomadic cattle herding. This preceded agriculture. I have an additional hypothesis that agriculture actually came out of having to feed livestock rather than trying to feed people directly
  - brnaftr361 3y ago
    Interesting, I suppose I overlooked the fact that they're indeed separate modalities, I suppose it's because most of my reading originates at the beginning of the historical record. It's not something I had explicitly considered, though I do recall one instance mentioned in Dawn of Everything. Do you have any reading that you'd suggest on the topic?
    - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
      I mean honestly the dawn of everything covers most of the ground I think my theory fills in the section at the end i think on page 510 where they ask “how did we get stuck?” Blood relations from Chris knight was uniquely important to my research though. The chalice and the blade though is a great if older foundation here
    - timeon 3y ago
      Recently there was posted article here on HN about excavations of some hunter-gatherer fort.

brnaftr361 3y ago

What happens if you flip the property->agriculture assertion, instead agriculture->property. This regime makes more sense to me, especially when considering the supposed nutritional poverty that the earliest agricultural societies are said to have experienced. "I worked this land, the yield is... mine..?" leading to conflict which eventually necessitated state and thus defined property rights. And this then allowed for vertical hierarchical development as "old money" was in possession of the most fertile land. I'll read through your paper here shortly, perhaps I'll find the answer.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Property in the form of “excludable and rival” was invented when we had to start hoarding megafauna- aka nomadic cattle herding. This preceded agriculture. I have an additional hypothesis that agriculture actually came out of having to feed livestock rather than trying to feed people directly
- brnaftr361 3y ago
  Interesting, I suppose I overlooked the fact that they're indeed separate modalities, I suppose it's because most of my reading originates at the beginning of the historical record. It's not something I had explicitly considered, though I do recall one instance mentioned in Dawn of Everything. Do you have any reading that you'd suggest on the topic?
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    I mean honestly the dawn of everything covers most of the ground I think my theory fills in the section at the end i think on page 510 where they ask “how did we get stuck?” Blood relations from Chris knight was uniquely important to my research though. The chalice and the blade though is a great if older foundation here
  - timeon 3y ago
    Recently there was posted article here on HN about excavations of some hunter-gatherer fort.