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Think of how many employees you could have if you didn't have to pay them at all.

by qgin 3y ago

gruez 3y ago
But they won't be employees. They'll be contractors. Also, you still have to pay them, it's just that rather than paying them by the hour you're paying per delivery.
- qgin 3y ago
  Whether that's fair and livable is a separate issue to consider. If it's not fair and livable, it doesn't mean that setting a lower minimum wage is the answer.
  - gruez 3y ago
    Barring them from working unless they can find a job that pays them a "living wage" isn't the answer either.
    - Spivak 3y ago
      Then it's going to be an impasse, because offering human labor for a price that is less than the generally agreed upon lowest amount a person can live on defeats the entire point of establishing a living wage. Unskilled labor, especially individual laborers, have zero practical leverage. In the absence of government controls wages get driven to zero or unions form to claw back that leverage. So by all means abolish the minimum wage and living wage, I would love to see unions pick up even more steam.
- jiveturkey 3y ago
  keeping it specific to this article, pizza hut does NOT have to pay them. the consumers bears the cost directly. because of the way food is priced, this will likely be net zero or slightly more expensive for the consumer, but because of the way they perceive price it’s better than pizza hut simply raising prices. for the same reason that restaurants keep the price the same but in small print charge a mandatory fee of some kind for benefits of what have you.
  - gruez 3y ago
    >but because of the way they perceive price it’s better than pizza hut simply raising prices. But wouldn't the typical consumer go to grubhub or whatever, see the inflated price, and then grumble about grubhub and/or pizza hut? Also, aren't delivery fees typically not included in the list price? I'm not sure how being slapped with grubhub delivery fees at checkout is any different than being slapped with pizza hut delivery fees at checkout.
    - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
      My domino’s here in Germany, Aachen, charges extra 20% for orders with the delivery,
      - jakderrida 3y ago
        Even for a single order of breadsticks? Just seems like delivery only involving added % would cause jerks to order small things.
        rad_gruchalski 3y ago
        Yes. Any delivery is 20% on top.
  - Guvante 3y ago
    This will not be neutral on Pizza Hut. The delivered price is their price.
  - Spivak 3y ago
    Which is why sunlight laws are so important, the market can't effectively respond to pricing information if that information is obscured. This is a situation that should eat into supply side profits because buyers are far more price sensitive and have a wealth of alternatives. Not taking a position as to whether that's good or bad but hiding the price increase is something that really ought to be difficult to pull off.
  - 3y ago

Think of how many employees you could have if you didn't have to pay them at all.

by qgin 3y ago

Think of how many employees you could have if you didn't have to pay them at all.

But they won't be employees. They'll be contractors. Also, you still have to pay them, it's just that rather than paying them by the hour you're paying per delivery.

qgin 3y ago
Whether that's fair and livable is a separate issue to consider. If it's not fair and livable, it doesn't mean that setting a lower minimum wage is the answer.
- gruez 3y ago
  Barring them from working unless they can find a job that pays them a "living wage" isn't the answer either.
  - Spivak 3y ago
    Then it's going to be an impasse, because offering human labor for a price that is less than the generally agreed upon lowest amount a person can live on defeats the entire point of establishing a living wage. Unskilled labor, especially individual laborers, have zero practical leverage. In the absence of government controls wages get driven to zero or unions form to claw back that leverage. So by all means abolish the minimum wage and living wage, I would love to see unions pick up even more steam.
jiveturkey 3y ago
keeping it specific to this article, pizza hut does NOT have to pay them. the consumers bears the cost directly. because of the way food is priced, this will likely be net zero or slightly more expensive for the consumer, but because of the way they perceive price it’s better than pizza hut simply raising prices. for the same reason that restaurants keep the price the same but in small print charge a mandatory fee of some kind for benefits of what have you.
- gruez 3y ago
  >but because of the way they perceive price it’s better than pizza hut simply raising prices. But wouldn't the typical consumer go to grubhub or whatever, see the inflated price, and then grumble about grubhub and/or pizza hut? Also, aren't delivery fees typically not included in the list price? I'm not sure how being slapped with grubhub delivery fees at checkout is any different than being slapped with pizza hut delivery fees at checkout.
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
    My domino’s here in Germany, Aachen, charges extra 20% for orders with the delivery,
    - jakderrida 3y ago
      Even for a single order of breadsticks? Just seems like delivery only involving added % would cause jerks to order small things.
      - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
        Yes. Any delivery is 20% on top.
- Guvante 3y ago
  This will not be neutral on Pizza Hut. The delivered price is their price.
- Spivak 3y ago
  Which is why sunlight laws are so important, the market can't effectively respond to pricing information if that information is obscured. This is a situation that should eat into supply side profits because buyers are far more price sensitive and have a wealth of alternatives. Not taking a position as to whether that's good or bad but hiding the price increase is something that really ought to be difficult to pull off.
- 3y ago