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Why don't you want me to say masks? That's probably the best example of a failed public health policy that was more about tribalism than science. Forcing restau

by k33n 3y ago

Why don't you want me to say masks? That's probably the best example of a failed public health policy that was more about tribalism than science. Forcing restaurant owners to impose masking guidelines that did nothing to prevent disease or shut down was quite the failure. The public health "experts" also made very bold claims about the vaccine which turned out not to be true as well. Then there was the media (who claimed to be the standard bearer for declaring who the experts were and weren't) who claimed Trump said to inject bleach -- when in reality he was making the public aware of a very promising UV-based technology that can in fact "cleanse" the body during dangerous infections. If all of that is too politically charged for you, then we can just talk about how the "public health experts" robbed the entire country of Monoclonal Antibody Therapy for no discernable reason.

hef19898 3y ago
Masks were a case of bad communication, they absolutely do work. For others around you more than for yourself so. And vaccines worked wonders, everybody who got two, or three, shots allowed anti-vaxxers to not get theirs and not catch a hard Covid strain regardless of that decision. But please, tell me more about the "UV-based cleaning thearapy" and Monoclonal Antibody Therapy. Or, on second thought, don't. Edit: Monoclonal Antibody therapy doesn't work with Covid: >> Monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) that target the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein have been shown to have clinical benefits in treating SARS-CoV-2 infection. However, laboratory studies have found that the activity of anti-SARS-CoV-2 mAbs against specific variants and subvariants can vary dramatically. Because of this, these products are not expected to be effective treatments or preventives for COVID-19 in areas where the circulating variants and subvariants are resistant to mAbs. Source: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antivirals-including-antibody-products/anti-sars-cov-2-monoclonal-antibodies/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/ant...
- k33n 3y ago
  > Masks were a case of bad communication By the "experts" who according to themselves and the media are extremely good at comms. Why are you so invested in defending these people? Just hatred of the other side? > Monoclonal Antibody therapy doesn't work with Covid > Monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) that target the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein have been shown to have clinical benefits in treating SARS-CoV-2 infection > these products are not expected to be effective treatments or preventives for COVID-19 That's textbook cognitive dissonance right there. Monoclonal Antibody Therapy did show promise in treating COVID-19. It certainly didn't hurt anyone. You don't see the clear hand of public policy that attempted (and mostly succeeded) to create a monopoly on treatment for the drug companies? > And vaccines worked wonders, everybody who got two, or three, shots allowed anti-vaxxers to not get theirs and not catch a hard Covid strain regardless of that decision What wonders did it work? It's not effective at stopping transmission, so your statement comes across as a bit dated tbh. Why can't you admit that it didn't do what the state-level "public health experts" promised it would? You're just going to follow these people wherever they lead you no matter how many times they fail publicly? Edit: Whoever flagged my post above is breaking the HN rules but I'm not surprised. People are still very offended by perspectives that deviate from state-media narratives on this topic.
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InCityDreams 3y ago
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-31/ https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/re... "THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me."
- k33n 3y ago
  Yes. He was speaking about UV therapies that disinfect the entire body during particularly dangerous infections. Pretending he told people to inject bleach will certainly reinforce a worldview where Trump is deranged -- but that doesn't make it reality.

by k33n 3y ago

hef19898 3y ago

Masks were a case of bad communication, they absolutely do work. For others around you more than for yourself so. And vaccines worked wonders, everybody who got two, or three, shots allowed anti-vaxxers to not get theirs and not catch a hard Covid strain regardless of that decision. But please, tell me more about the "UV-based cleaning thearapy" and Monoclonal Antibody Therapy. Or, on second thought, don't. Edit: Monoclonal Antibody therapy doesn't work with Covid: >> Monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) that target the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein have been shown to have clinical benefits in treating SARS-CoV-2 infection. However, laboratory studies have found that the activity of anti-SARS-CoV-2 mAbs against specific variants and subvariants can vary dramatically. Because of this, these products are not expected to be effective treatments or preventives for COVID-19 in areas where the circulating variants and subvariants are resistant to mAbs. Source: https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antivirals-including-antibody-products/anti-sars-cov-2-monoclonal-antibodies/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/ant...

k33n 3y ago
> Masks were a case of bad communication By the "experts" who according to themselves and the media are extremely good at comms. Why are you so invested in defending these people? Just hatred of the other side? > Monoclonal Antibody therapy doesn't work with Covid > Monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) that target the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein have been shown to have clinical benefits in treating SARS-CoV-2 infection > these products are not expected to be effective treatments or preventives for COVID-19 That's textbook cognitive dissonance right there. Monoclonal Antibody Therapy did show promise in treating COVID-19. It certainly didn't hurt anyone. You don't see the clear hand of public policy that attempted (and mostly succeeded) to create a monopoly on treatment for the drug companies? > And vaccines worked wonders, everybody who got two, or three, shots allowed anti-vaxxers to not get theirs and not catch a hard Covid strain regardless of that decision What wonders did it work? It's not effective at stopping transmission, so your statement comes across as a bit dated tbh. Why can't you admit that it didn't do what the state-level "public health experts" promised it would? You're just going to follow these people wherever they lead you no matter how many times they fail publicly? Edit: Whoever flagged my post above is breaking the HN rules but I'm not surprised. People are still very offended by perspectives that deviate from state-media narratives on this topic.
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InCityDreams 3y ago

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-31/ https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/re... "THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me."

k33n 3y ago
Yes. He was speaking about UV therapies that disinfect the entire body during particularly dangerous infections. Pretending he told people to inject bleach will certainly reinforce a worldview where Trump is deranged -- but that doesn't make it reality.