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You don't need Julia. Julia was trying to be a better python. We will have better python in form of Mojo.

FridgeSeal 3y ago
Mojo is vapourware from a private company (and we all know how those turn out re programming languages) until proven otherwise.
- csjh 3y ago
  What other private company languages are there? Swift is the best example I can think of, which matches Mojo's situation down to the head of the project.
  - ReleaseCandidat 3y ago
    IBM has some, ABAP, ...
  - Conscat 3y ago
    K is one such language.
  - dist-epoch 3y ago
    Mathematica
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  - sinkwool 3y ago
    aren't most languages invented and initially developed within a private company? Go, Dart, Java, JavaScript, C#, F#, VBA, Kotlin, Erlang, C(at AT&T), Rust (at Mozilla). The list is probably very long
    - notthemessiah 3y ago
      Most of those are open source, and while initially developed at a private company, most are run by non-profits (such as the Rust Foundation for Rust). Also, the language itself is not usually the main product at those companies.
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  - akkad33 3y ago
    Matlab
  - markkitti 3y ago
    MATLAB® by MathWorks
- markkitti 3y ago
  I'm not sure that's a fair description at this point. They have distributed some SDKs at this point. I really do wish it were open source already though. I know they have laid out a roadmap for opening the source.
  - FridgeSeal 3y ago
    The person in charge of Mojo was previously in charge of a massive effort to give tensorflow a new backend, for which he conveniently picked Swift (a language he was also involved in), despite there being better options, only to abandon it halfway through because it was intractable and Swift wasn’t ready/willing to support the compiler changes needed, so he just abandoned it, and now works on Mojo. It gives real “Jony Ive leaving Apple to go work somewhere where nobody can tell him ‘no’ “ vibes.
    - passion__desire 3y ago
      You don't consider developing llvm as an accomplisment?
ubj 3y ago
It should be fairly clear from studying the structure of Julia that it was never meant to be simply a better Python. Mojo also owes part of its design from the lessons it took from Julia (as per Chris Lattner [1]). [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35791125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35791125
- markkitti 3y ago
  After looking at Mojo, I appreciated all the paradigms that Julia was pushing forward even more than I did before. Mojo's greatest asset and curse is focusing on being a better Python. Julia's greatest asset and curse is trying to do a lot more.
- froonly 3y ago
  Julia was meant to be a better Fortran/C++

Mojo is vapourware from a private company (and we all know how those turn out re programming languages) until proven otherwise.

csjh 3y ago
What other private company languages are there? Swift is the best example I can think of, which matches Mojo's situation down to the head of the project.
- ReleaseCandidat 3y ago
  IBM has some, ABAP, ...
- Conscat 3y ago
  K is one such language.
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  Mathematica
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- sinkwool 3y ago
  aren't most languages invented and initially developed within a private company? Go, Dart, Java, JavaScript, C#, F#, VBA, Kotlin, Erlang, C(at AT&T), Rust (at Mozilla). The list is probably very long
  - notthemessiah 3y ago
    Most of those are open source, and while initially developed at a private company, most are run by non-profits (such as the Rust Foundation for Rust). Also, the language itself is not usually the main product at those companies.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
- akkad33 3y ago
  Matlab
- markkitti 3y ago
  MATLAB® by MathWorks
markkitti 3y ago
I'm not sure that's a fair description at this point. They have distributed some SDKs at this point. I really do wish it were open source already though. I know they have laid out a roadmap for opening the source.
- FridgeSeal 3y ago
  The person in charge of Mojo was previously in charge of a massive effort to give tensorflow a new backend, for which he conveniently picked Swift (a language he was also involved in), despite there being better options, only to abandon it halfway through because it was intractable and Swift wasn’t ready/willing to support the compiler changes needed, so he just abandoned it, and now works on Mojo. It gives real “Jony Ive leaving Apple to go work somewhere where nobody can tell him ‘no’ “ vibes.
  - passion__desire 3y ago
    You don't consider developing llvm as an accomplisment?

ubj 3y ago

It should be fairly clear from studying the structure of Julia that it was never meant to be simply a better Python. Mojo also owes part of its design from the lessons it took from Julia (as per Chris Lattner [1]). [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35791125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35791125

markkitti 3y ago
After looking at Mojo, I appreciated all the paradigms that Julia was pushing forward even more than I did before. Mojo's greatest asset and curse is focusing on being a better Python. Julia's greatest asset and curse is trying to do a lot more.
froonly 3y ago
Julia was meant to be a better Fortran/C++