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All I see is "Gmail™, Gmelius™, Gmail™, Gmail™, Gmelius™, Gmail™". Is it really necessary to put a symbol next to them everytime in every paragraph? The whole p

by Khao 14y ago

All I see is "Gmail™, Gmelius™, Gmail™, Gmail™, Gmelius™, Gmail™". Is it really necessary to put a symbol next to them everytime in every paragraph? The whole page is littered with ™ symbols. I find it difficult to read with all this, but maybe it's just me who's picky. Aside from this, I see a lot of potential for a great plugin, but all those features Gmelius claims to remove since they are annoying, are features I like. And all the things Gmelius adds to Gmail, are stuff I couldn't care less for. This plugin is really not appealing to me and I think it's because, to me at least, Gmail is simply great and there is pretty much nothing to add except maybe enable a few Labs options. It seems to me that this plugin is really useless because there is practically nothing to change to Gmail to make it great in my opinion.

marcusf 14y ago
There's a few things to object to in the plugin (like a comment below I find that removing ads together with asking for donations a very distasteful combo), but honestly, what value does your comment add except trying to put down the authors? There are ways to critique something without calling it "really useless".
- Khao 14y ago
  I'm giving my honest opinion and I'm saying that I really love Gmail the way it is without any extra plugin. I think it's feedback that matters to the authors, maybe they will find that some of their potential user base find no added value in their plugin and they will try to come up with other features that will attract users such as me.
  - nollidge 14y ago
    > there is practically nothing to change to Gmail to make it great in my opinion. Sounds like you're not even a member of their potential user base if you're already happy with the Gmail interface.
    - Khao 14y ago
      Well it's a product that I use every day and I'm always eager to try new stuff if I see it could be cool. I was really interessed by the article and headed to the website to see what it offered, and I felt it wasn't a plugin that would suit me. There is always place for improvement, even if I think Gmail is great as it is right now. Sometimes, you're so used to a certain interface that you don't even know you can improve it until someone comes at you with something new and say "look, here's a new feature we thought you'd like : " and you go "yeah! why didn't I think of this first?".
- Drbble 14y ago
  Free feedback on a new product is incredibly valuable. I am sure the Gmelius team would prefer to receive and iterateon critical feedback from the target demographic early, over rah rah cheerleading into a flopped major launch.
  - marcusf 14y ago
    I agree that feedback is massively valuable. However, there are different ways to express said feedback. In general I find the tone at HN quite colloquial, and calling something "really useless" felt unnecessarily harsh.
- mustafa0x 14y ago
  > There are ways to critique something without calling it "really useless". Words that needed to be said, thank you for doing so. @Khao: Tone is critical when giving sincere opinion. Moreover, tone is hard to convey through text. I believe you should choose your words more carefully. Your post (to me) is somewhat fussy.
jessriedel 14y ago
At least as of right now, the marks are only on the google-owned trademarks (i.e. on "Gmail" but not on "Gmelius"). I assume the guy wants to make sure he can't be sued for trademark infringement.
- icebraining 14y ago
  No, Gmelius has the trademark symbol too, with a couple of exceptions (the "What is it?" and "Gmelius Users" boxes).
- Khao 14y ago
  Can't they just place something in the footer saying "Gmail and all the logo/name/whatever is trademark of google and whatever". I know nothing of this kind of legal stuff, but I remember seeing places where there were only notices in the footer but they were not repeated all over the page.
- mdwrigh2 14y ago
  They are on the GMelius logo at the top of the page as well.
zalew 14y ago
Yeah. And they haven't even noticed that 'Remove the "People Widget"' is in Gmail settings.
- xpressyoo 14y ago
  @zalew, the current option you're mentioning in Gmail settings does not allow to regain the space at the right of your msg used by the ads. Gmelius does it.
  - zalew 14y ago
    maybe I don't get it because I use Rapportive. IMO there's not much that can be 'fixed' in Gmail, but I see a lot of room for tweaks & customizing in G+, maybe you could try to enter this field (like there was that Facebook extension to kill annoying elements in GUI)?
  - Hurdy 14y ago
    It does, if you're a paying customer and don't have ads.

by Khao 14y ago

marcusf 14y ago

There's a few things to object to in the plugin (like a comment below I find that removing ads together with asking for donations a very distasteful combo), but honestly, what value does your comment add except trying to put down the authors? There are ways to critique something without calling it "really useless".

Khao 14y ago
I'm giving my honest opinion and I'm saying that I really love Gmail the way it is without any extra plugin. I think it's feedback that matters to the authors, maybe they will find that some of their potential user base find no added value in their plugin and they will try to come up with other features that will attract users such as me.
- nollidge 14y ago
  > there is practically nothing to change to Gmail to make it great in my opinion. Sounds like you're not even a member of their potential user base if you're already happy with the Gmail interface.
  - Khao 14y ago
    Well it's a product that I use every day and I'm always eager to try new stuff if I see it could be cool. I was really interessed by the article and headed to the website to see what it offered, and I felt it wasn't a plugin that would suit me. There is always place for improvement, even if I think Gmail is great as it is right now. Sometimes, you're so used to a certain interface that you don't even know you can improve it until someone comes at you with something new and say "look, here's a new feature we thought you'd like : " and you go "yeah! why didn't I think of this first?".
Drbble 14y ago
Free feedback on a new product is incredibly valuable. I am sure the Gmelius team would prefer to receive and iterateon critical feedback from the target demographic early, over rah rah cheerleading into a flopped major launch.
- marcusf 14y ago
  I agree that feedback is massively valuable. However, there are different ways to express said feedback. In general I find the tone at HN quite colloquial, and calling something "really useless" felt unnecessarily harsh.
mustafa0x 14y ago
> There are ways to critique something without calling it "really useless". Words that needed to be said, thank you for doing so. @Khao: Tone is critical when giving sincere opinion. Moreover, tone is hard to convey through text. I believe you should choose your words more carefully. Your post (to me) is somewhat fussy.

jessriedel 14y ago

At least as of right now, the marks are only on the google-owned trademarks (i.e. on "Gmail" but not on "Gmelius"). I assume the guy wants to make sure he can't be sued for trademark infringement.

icebraining 14y ago
No, Gmelius has the trademark symbol too, with a couple of exceptions (the "What is it?" and "Gmelius Users" boxes).
Khao 14y ago
Can't they just place something in the footer saying "Gmail and all the logo/name/whatever is trademark of google and whatever". I know nothing of this kind of legal stuff, but I remember seeing places where there were only notices in the footer but they were not repeated all over the page.
mdwrigh2 14y ago
They are on the GMelius logo at the top of the page as well.

zalew 14y ago

Yeah. And they haven't even noticed that 'Remove the "People Widget"' is in Gmail settings.

xpressyoo 14y ago
@zalew, the current option you're mentioning in Gmail settings does not allow to regain the space at the right of your msg used by the ads. Gmelius does it.
- zalew 14y ago
  maybe I don't get it because I use Rapportive. IMO there's not much that can be 'fixed' in Gmail, but I see a lot of room for tweaks & customizing in G+, maybe you could try to enter this field (like there was that Facebook extension to kill annoying elements in GUI)?
- Hurdy 14y ago
  It does, if you're a paying customer and don't have ads.