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Take your pick: 1) the travails of those who buy android aren’t my concern as an iPhone owner 2) there are a million popular messaging alternatives 3) this i

Take your pick: 1) the travails of those who buy android aren’t my concern as an iPhone owner 2) there are a million popular messaging alternatives 3) this is market revenge for “android has the market share and apple has the market share profits” 4) the kids will move past blue and green bubbles before any lawsuits are settled 5) the technically superior solution will prevail 6) are we still talking about this? 7) F Google 8) if I had to pick “n” regulatory interventions in technopolies today this one definitely wouldn’t rank, given just about any potential value of “n” 9) climate change gov & ngo interventions deserve this much iterative, insistent, passionate discussion far more Edit: Adding one more.. 10) Apple’s E2E RCS implementation will spank and embarrass Google’s version of same

1oooqooq 3y ago
F google indeed. Here is how they are rolling out RCS, with the darkest of the dark patterns: https://9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/google_messages_rcs_android_1.jpg?quality=82&strip=all https://9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/go... note that this was the dark pattern at launch, the "don't agree" button disguised as a negative link is now disguised as greyed out text on their premium pixel UI.
- chimeracoder 3y ago
  > F google indeed. Here is how they are rolling out RCS, with the darkest of the dark patterns For a proper comparison, you should display that next to the opt-in UI displayed to users when their SMS messages are converted to iMessages.
  - 1oooqooq 3y ago
    feel free to contribute. I have no idea what apple customers see as I am not one.
cmiles74 3y ago
I will be very surprised if Apple's RCS support includes end-to-end encryption. Apple has said... "Later next year, we will be adding support for RCS Universal Profile, the standard as currently published by the GSM Association. We believe RCS Universal Profile will offer a better interoperability experience when compared to SMS or MMS. This will work alongside iMessage, which will continue to be the best and most secure messaging experience for Apple users." This doesn't include encryption, that's a Google extension and is not part of the GSMA standard. Indeed, I suspect we'll see only the bare minimum implemented by Apple. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/apple-announces-rcs-support-for-imessage/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/apple-announces-rcs-...
- browningstreet 3y ago
  Hmm, interesting. If that's true, and it's not encrypted, and blue means iMessage-encrypted, then I'd guess the green bubbles stay and designate "RCS/unencrypted" and can't be mixed and matched with iMessage recipients. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
pavel_lishin 3y ago
> 1) the travails of those who buy android aren’t my concern as an iPhone owner I'd argue they are, if you think you're texting someone and they aren't actually receiving those texts.

1oooqooq 3y ago

F google indeed. Here is how they are rolling out RCS, with the darkest of the dark patterns: https://9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/google_messages_rcs_android_1.jpg?quality=82&strip=all https://9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2019/11/go... note that this was the dark pattern at launch, the "don't agree" button disguised as a negative link is now disguised as greyed out text on their premium pixel UI.

chimeracoder 3y ago
> F google indeed. Here is how they are rolling out RCS, with the darkest of the dark patterns For a proper comparison, you should display that next to the opt-in UI displayed to users when their SMS messages are converted to iMessages.
- 1oooqooq 3y ago
  feel free to contribute. I have no idea what apple customers see as I am not one.

cmiles74 3y ago

I will be very surprised if Apple's RCS support includes end-to-end encryption. Apple has said... "Later next year, we will be adding support for RCS Universal Profile, the standard as currently published by the GSM Association. We believe RCS Universal Profile will offer a better interoperability experience when compared to SMS or MMS. This will work alongside iMessage, which will continue to be the best and most secure messaging experience for Apple users." This doesn't include encryption, that's a Google extension and is not part of the GSMA standard. Indeed, I suspect we'll see only the bare minimum implemented by Apple. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/apple-announces-rcs-support-for-imessage/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/11/apple-announces-rcs-...

browningstreet 3y ago
Hmm, interesting. If that's true, and it's not encrypted, and blue means iMessage-encrypted, then I'd guess the green bubbles stay and designate "RCS/unencrypted" and can't be mixed and matched with iMessage recipients. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

pavel_lishin 3y ago

> 1) the travails of those who buy android aren’t my concern as an iPhone owner I'd argue they are, if you think you're texting someone and they aren't actually receiving those texts.