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Didn’t read the article. But currently curing my own myopia with measureable improvement. Yes, I know it’s impossible whatever. It’s happening. I believe what I

Didn’t read the article. But currently curing my own myopia with measureable improvement. Yes, I know it’s impossible whatever. It’s happening. I believe what I see with own eyes (pun fully intended). There’s a not-yet-scientific theory behind it. See https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPIGDSY_xBs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XPIGDSY_xBs

stevebmark 3y ago
Myopia is not reversible with any known means except surgery. Your results are irrelevant and minor changes could simply be due to choroid thickness changes. There are comments like yours on every myopia post where people claim minor changes (1-2 diopters) then are never heard from again.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  I'm sorry, simply no. I know myopia is supposed to be not reversible. No one knows how these methods work. But they work, and I'm so happy I'll be able to get rid of my glasses without laser surgery, I can't care less about what science or people currently say.
- walterbell 3y ago
  Vision therapy (with or without a professional advisor) works for some people, but not others. We don't know why.
  - stevebmark 3y ago
    No, it doesn't. Vision therapy is reliably shown to be quackery in studies. Vision therapy doesn't make sense, as there is no known signal to cause ECM breakdown / eye reshaping to reduce axial elongation. Myopia is a terrible thing to discuss, there are so many people guessing and making false claims about things.
    - walterbell 3y ago
      Vision therapy covers a broad range of conditions. > quackery COVD, the professional association has existed for 40 years, https://www.covd.org/page/About_Us https://www.covd.org/page/About_Us The College of Optometrists in Vision Development (COVD) is a non-profit, international membership association of eye care professionals including optometrists, optometry students, and vision therapists. Established in 1970, COVD provides board certification for optometrists and vision therapists who are prepared to offer state-of-the-art services in Behavioral and developmental vision care, Vision therapy, Neuro-optometric rehabilitation. A local search found 40 COVD-certified optometrists.
      - stevebmark 3y ago
        How is this related to my factual statement that "vision therapy to improve myopia is quackery"?
        walterbell 3y ago
        It's a response to your actual statement: "Vision therapy is reliably shown to be quackery in studies."
- aeternum 3y ago
  This is definitely not true. Pregnancy for example is known to cure myopia in some cases: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5519268/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5519268/ Furthermore there are contact lenses that temporarily reshape the surface of the eye as well as new glasses, both of which are now either FDA approved or in late-stage trials.
  - stevebmark 3y ago
    Read the study you linked to. Jesus.
  - donkers 3y ago
    From the study you linked: "A likely explanation of the inverse association between pregnancy and myopia progression is the higher exposure to outdoor activities in pregnant women during their maternal leaves. Time of outdoors physical activity of 6.9 vs 5.2 h per week (P=0.002) in pregnant woman compared to non-pregnant woman." Outdoor activities - the same thing as in the Wired article that's noted to slow down myopia progression. I don't think this study supports what you think it supports. Also myopia didn't reverse, the rate of increase merely slowed down in the pregnant women.
walterbell 3y ago
https://hn.algolia.com/?query=endmyopia&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=endmyopia&sort=byPopularity&ty... https://losetheglasses.org/ https://losetheglasses.org/ > Jake has a vast wealth of valuable writing about the subject and his blog posts go into a lot of useful detail. Unfortunately, Jake has some issues ... I thought I'd take a crack at summarizing the most important findings across all these thinkers on one page, including stuff from community members and my own experiences ... it's time to stop treating this like property and start treating it like a common resource.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  Great resource (2nd link) I can confidently point people to, thanks! The only thing NottNott disagrees here based on experience (I don't have a precise opinion on it) is that avoidance of screens are not necessary whatsoever, as long as you are getting your daily ~2 hour active focus distance vision (walk).
  - walterbell 3y ago
    Screen avoidance isn't necessary, but 20-20-20 breaks do allow ciliary focusing muscles to periodically relax during closeup sessions.
gus_massa 3y ago
Do they have a double blind randomized controled trial published in a seserious journal? The double blind part is difficult, but they usualy give a silly task to the control group, so they don't know they are in the control group.
- walterbell 3y ago
  There's no generic method that could be tested, but studies on specific topics are linked here, https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/Clinical_Studies https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/Clinical_Studies
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  I literally don't care on its effectivity in the general population or else, I'm so happy and grateful it's working on me.
- userbinator 3y ago
  Double "blind"...?

stevebmark 3y ago

Myopia is not reversible with any known means except surgery. Your results are irrelevant and minor changes could simply be due to choroid thickness changes. There are comments like yours on every myopia post where people claim minor changes (1-2 diopters) then are never heard from again.

Aerbil313 3y ago
I'm sorry, simply no. I know myopia is supposed to be not reversible. No one knows how these methods work. But they work, and I'm so happy I'll be able to get rid of my glasses without laser surgery, I can't care less about what science or people currently say.
walterbell 3y ago
Vision therapy (with or without a professional advisor) works for some people, but not others. We don't know why.
- stevebmark 3y ago
  No, it doesn't. Vision therapy is reliably shown to be quackery in studies. Vision therapy doesn't make sense, as there is no known signal to cause ECM breakdown / eye reshaping to reduce axial elongation. Myopia is a terrible thing to discuss, there are so many people guessing and making false claims about things.
  - walterbell 3y ago
    Vision therapy covers a broad range of conditions. > quackery COVD, the professional association has existed for 40 years, https://www.covd.org/page/About_Us https://www.covd.org/page/About_Us The College of Optometrists in Vision Development (COVD) is a non-profit, international membership association of eye care professionals including optometrists, optometry students, and vision therapists. Established in 1970, COVD provides board certification for optometrists and vision therapists who are prepared to offer state-of-the-art services in Behavioral and developmental vision care, Vision therapy, Neuro-optometric rehabilitation. A local search found 40 COVD-certified optometrists.
    - stevebmark 3y ago
      How is this related to my factual statement that "vision therapy to improve myopia is quackery"?
      - walterbell 3y ago
        It's a response to your actual statement: "Vision therapy is reliably shown to be quackery in studies."
aeternum 3y ago
This is definitely not true. Pregnancy for example is known to cure myopia in some cases: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5519268/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5519268/ Furthermore there are contact lenses that temporarily reshape the surface of the eye as well as new glasses, both of which are now either FDA approved or in late-stage trials.
- stevebmark 3y ago
  Read the study you linked to. Jesus.
- donkers 3y ago
  From the study you linked: "A likely explanation of the inverse association between pregnancy and myopia progression is the higher exposure to outdoor activities in pregnant women during their maternal leaves. Time of outdoors physical activity of 6.9 vs 5.2 h per week (P=0.002) in pregnant woman compared to non-pregnant woman." Outdoor activities - the same thing as in the Wired article that's noted to slow down myopia progression. I don't think this study supports what you think it supports. Also myopia didn't reverse, the rate of increase merely slowed down in the pregnant women.

walterbell 3y ago

https://hn.algolia.com/?query=endmyopia&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=endmyopia&sort=byPopularity&ty... https://losetheglasses.org/ https://losetheglasses.org/ > Jake has a vast wealth of valuable writing about the subject and his blog posts go into a lot of useful detail. Unfortunately, Jake has some issues ... I thought I'd take a crack at summarizing the most important findings across all these thinkers on one page, including stuff from community members and my own experiences ... it's time to stop treating this like property and start treating it like a common resource.

Aerbil313 3y ago
Great resource (2nd link) I can confidently point people to, thanks! The only thing NottNott disagrees here based on experience (I don't have a precise opinion on it) is that avoidance of screens are not necessary whatsoever, as long as you are getting your daily ~2 hour active focus distance vision (walk).
- walterbell 3y ago
  Screen avoidance isn't necessary, but 20-20-20 breaks do allow ciliary focusing muscles to periodically relax during closeup sessions.

gus_massa 3y ago

Do they have a double blind randomized controled trial published in a seserious journal? The double blind part is difficult, but they usualy give a silly task to the control group, so they don't know they are in the control group.

walterbell 3y ago
There's no generic method that could be tested, but studies on specific topics are linked here, https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/Clinical_Studies https://wiki.endmyopia.org/wiki/Clinical_Studies
Aerbil313 3y ago
I literally don't care on its effectivity in the general population or else, I'm so happy and grateful it's working on me.
userbinator 3y ago
Double "blind"...?